On a scale of 0-5, How much do you care about Obama's Birth Certificate?

0 being completely unconcerned, 5 being totally and completely concerned.

Me, I'm around negative infinity on that scale.

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Why is he making a big deal out of this?

So he really IS Jesus, isn't he? :P

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How's school goin'? :hi:

Tomorrow's the last day of classes. 2 papers and 2 finals, and I'm done until September. :hi:

My kids just got out, so I thought you should be about through for the semester. :-)

The US Gov't is just stupid for requiring certified documents to prove things like date and palce of birth. Why would anyone lie about it?

My guess is that his parents weren't married and he is ashamed. No marriage certificate for Obama's birth parents has ever been produced either.

Why do we care? Ask yourself "If this were Hillary would Obama supporters here at DU care where and when she was born or would they call it a nonissue and try to dismiss it with ridicule?"

And this was way before he entered political life. I heard yesterday that he was born six months later. Could that be it? This is so irrelevant. How many people have the same story? It wouldn't matter if he were born out of wedlock--except to people looking for an excuse not to vote for a black man or a Democrat. They would use any excuse not to.

I don't care what his middle name might be. Am I supposed to?

This is seriously one of the stupidest "issues" ever.

But, this thread proves how low Clinton supporters are willing to go while her campaign is in its death throes. Incredible. :crazy:

and I don't think Obama supporters have any legitimate claim to the high road.

I'm not saying that we do, but this does seem a bit over the top.

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They're vocal about it, yes, but it's clearly not the majority of Hillary supporters on here running with it.

And there's a few speaking against this silly birth certificate nonsense.

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The coldest temperature possible.
People deserve some privacy.

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You'd think people would have better things to concern themselves with. Oh well.

IMO that would be the very first thing to be vetted, by any electoral/commission or the democratic party. The FEC goes over almost ever red cent that is spent or comes into his campaign, if people honestly think that they don't find out if the guy is even constitutionally qualified, then they can do their country a BIG "favor" and bring it up before the proper sources, they'd be considered to be national "heroes" to many , very possibly with monetary reward. Honestly we probably shouldn't even waster our time talking/posting threads about it (and I know I've already broken this:p)

ONLY HILLARY CAN SAVE US

Are you gonna fix him?:P

It's only a piece of paper, right?

of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(Note it says natural born, not born in the US.) Not that it matters because Obama WAS born in the US.

McCain was NOT born in the US.

Just sayin'

That means he's eligible.

It's a well known fact that he was born in Hawaii. And even if he wasn't, his mother's a citizen therefore he's a citizen. He's eligible under the Constitution.

He has a US passport, which requires a birth certificate. Complete non-issue.

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It says natural born citizen. So let's pretend that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (a US state) and somewhere else. The fact that his mother is a citizen would make him a natural born citizen.

Regardless, he was born in Hawaii so even if his mother wasn't a citizen he would be one automatically. And since he has a US passport, he obviously has a good birth certificate and valid US citizenship.

Constitutional scholars disagree with you on the issue. It's the "natural born" words that are the problem.

That's why Arnold can have a passport, he's now a US citizen. Obama's had a passport since he was a child.

Hawaii is a state. His mother is a US citizen.

But that's the point, isn't it? He says he was born in Hawaii. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. Why not just produce the certificate? Why not?

Why is Obama making a big thing out of what you decided is a nonissue?

If he has nothing to hide....

It's beyond stupid. It's John Edwards haircut and Hillary not tipping stupid.

But it's even more stupid to start questioning if Obama's really a natural born American citizen. Hawaii was a state when he was born and his mother is an American citizen.

That if you cannot see it, then there's no reason for you to reply to me again.

The only people making a big issue of that are YOU and a few freepers.

and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. His mother is a US Citizen, and the children of US citizens are also natural born US citizens, regardless of where their parents are physically located at the time of the child's birth.

I have no reason to believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii like he has said. But even if he was, so what? McCain was born in Panama while his father was stationed there. I don't think it's a big deal for him either. The important thing is they are US citizens and what each of them stands for and what type of president each would be.

Here:

Children with One Citizen Parent and One Non-Citizen Parent
If one of your parents is a U.S. citizen and your other parent is not a citizen or national of the United States, you are a U.S. citizen at birth if ALL of the following are true:

One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born;
Your citizen parent lived in the United States for at least 5 years before you were born, and at least 2 of the 5 years that your citizen parent lived in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday. If you were born before November 14, 1986 (but after December 24, 1952), you are a citizen if your U.S. citizen parent lived in the United States for at least 10 years. At least 5 of the 10 years that your parent lived in the United States must have been after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.

http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=976


Obama is a citizen.

Go with the one that there is a rumor that he has a super secret extra middle name which is Mohammed. This rumor has been completley debunked of course, because every single document they dug up only has the three names we know him by. But without seeing his birth certificate we can't be sure that he doesn't have a super secret extra middle name. And of course, if he did have an extra middle name that happened to be Mohammed, that would be the undisputable proof that he is a Manchurian Muslim.

I mean, c'mon, if you're going to go with the Hillaryis44.com concern du'jour at least go with a doozy.

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Does this answer your question?.?.?:rofl:

here from another planet on an intergalactic flight. Of course there's no birth certificate.:rofl:

I can't imagine why he's not releasing his birth certificate or doing as McCain did and showing it to a reporter. It reminds of Kerry who did not sign the form 180 to release all his Navy records until after the election. When he signed it, it turned out the remaining records contained nothing new. No one could figure out why he didn't release them sooner.

satisfying the curiosity of gossip-minded, empty-headed drones with nothing more important on their minds than a piece of paper that has been credentialed by those who matter is not a good reason. Whoever really needed to see it, saw it. Are you somehow not CONVINCED that he is eligible to be a candidate? Are you "somebody" who has a need to know? if it is such a big concern of yours, I recommend you contact the FEC, the Democratic Party, and your Congress people to make your "concerns" known. As far as I'm concerned, it's right up there with a flag pin as worthy of consideration, because I'm willing to believe the "rumor" that he was born in Hawaii, AFTER Hawaii became a state.

What would anyone gain from Obama's birth certificate? He was born in Hawaii and is over 35, he's met the Constitutional requirements to become president.

What does Obama have to gain by concealing his BC?

And people on FR.

And Kerry released his record as early as April. They were on his website. Your post proves that rumors will continue even when they have no base.

Now, except a few bloggers from freeperland and an even smaller number of people in Hillaryland (I think most of them are to intelligent to push such an inane issue), where does it say that Obama does not want to show his birth certificate?

If it's so simple, just produce the document. Why would Obama's campaign allow this to spin out of control? What do they know that they are worried about?

of some obscure Clinton's supporter. Seems he/she has exhausted everything!

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George Herbert Walker Bush. :scared:

We would have found out long ago? Like maybe when it was breached?

Why people come up with this type of faux outrage, I will never know :eyes:

we have a winner!

It seems there are other issues I am much more concerned about. A better question is why we let the media get away with this crap?

but I will point out that when Clinton hadn't yet released her tax returns, the attack against her was "What is she hiding?!". The implication was that she MUST be hiding something hurtful to her. The same "logic" is used regarding the Clinton library donors.

So nobody should be surprised when the same "logic" is turned around on Obama.

This is why using such lame arguments and cheap smears is stupid - because it WILL be turned around. Wouldn't it have been nice if Obama supporters defended Clinton back then and dismissed the whole "argument" as faulty and not worthy of democrats? Then your complaints in this matter might carry a little more weight.

If yes, who?

If not, this is the most inane campaign I have ever seen, and, sadly, some good Hillary supporters are following suite.

Evidently the St. Petersburg Times asked the campaign, and was refused.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/

And think (or hope) that it becomes an issue.

really

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You'd think if there was anything to this nonsense, it would have been brought up already.

The Hill-Shrills are desperate.

But if he wasnt born in the US it will be a problem. Not saying he wasnt but theres no reason to withold it. I dont actually think he is i just think the looney tunes who asked for it wasnt credible enough to pay attention to.

-100 on a scale of 0-5.

Missouri is about to join Arizona requiring people registering to vote to present a birth certificate or whatever else to prove citizenship in order to register to vote.

A presidential candidate has to be a native born American to be president. Doesn't matter if it is "out of wedlock" as long as one parent is American at time of birth OR as long as the birth was in the United States.

I googled "Obama birth certificate" under "News" and got 20 hits, none of which seem to have anything to do with this.

What's everyone so up in arms about?

No more making decisions based on principle, the only thing that matters is defending Obama, right or wrong.

I know I exceeded your scale limitations, but at least I kept it an integer.

which requires being born in the U.S.

U.S. territories count as U.S. soil so McCain's being born in the Panama Canal Zone is not a problem.

Some people wonder if Obama was born in Kenya, in which case he is not eligible to be president. The claims that his passport records were hacked are what started the concern, I believe, but his refusal to provide his birth certificate is strange.

He has said he has Kenyan citizenship, and I'm not sure a president can have dual citizenship.

He ought to show his birth certificate and clear this up. He's a lawyer so he should respect the Constitution.

Your identity can be stolen with your birth date and mother's maiden name and we already know those so I don't buy the "He's protecting his identity" argument.

All the presidential candidates should show their birth certificates to the highest-ranking person in the passport office or someone like that, someone who can verify whether or not they are eligible to be president. VP nominees should be vetted, too, since they could become president.

His mother is a US citizen, he was born in Hawaii. Obama's a US Citizen.

a U.S. citizen. Which he is:

Mother born in U.S./U.S. citizen = Obama being a citizen. Also, born in Hawaii, ergo, he's still a citizen. Got it?

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm#con2.1.5

You're misreading.


"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.".

That goes together. Meaning you need to be either a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution.

Even though he is both, so it's a moot point. Correct?

McCain might qualify, though. :D

Touche. :P

Not only was he born in america, but he has an american parent.


But just for future reference, that part i bolded was used to allow people who had become citizens before the constitution was adopted (pre-1788) to serve as president. That part is no longer applicable to anyone, unless they were alive before 1788.

Many Americans maintain dual citizenship as a matter of ethnic and cultural pride. I'm eligible for Irish citizenship by virtue of having four Irish-born grandparents. If I were planning on travelling in the Middle East, I'd seriously think about doing so on an Irish passport.

My concern is somewhere around -1 x 10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

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about where his loyalties lie.

Go ahead, be a fucking xenophobe, but leave this board with that fucking attitude!

Any deflection from real issues is just what the Republicans love to create.