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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:17 PM
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Congratulations, Edwards supporters. His message still echoes in West Virginia.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:18 PM
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1. obviously not.
:shrug:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:23 PM
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3. He hasn't campaigned in months and still got 7%.
Obviously it does.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:47 PM
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27. He is White & Male
nothing more to say
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:01 PM
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34. When you don't think it's hard to say something.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:54 PM
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30. so 7% of the wv voters couldnt hold their noses tight enough to vote hillary?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:02 PM
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35. Or Obama.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:19 PM
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2. Who cares what echoes in West virginia?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:23 PM
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4. Are you saying West Virginia doesn't count?
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:27 PM
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9. Yes it does, rug
Just like Oklahoma, Tennessee and Kentucky. States we will never win. The reason: Absolute stupidity. Look at the college grad %'s.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:28 PM
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11. The only voice that echoes
is yours. In your bubble.

(Have we not yet learned that we ALL matter?)
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:31 PM
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15. Jo
Win or lose. Will you be here?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:21 AM
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47. In a bubble?
I hope not. Democrats have always worked toward a more just society for everyone.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:24 PM
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5. Thanks,
after working so hard on the campaign, it was nice to see.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:30 PM
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13. Thank you for sticking with your candidate
There is so much to admire about John Edwards and no matter which way the wind blows, I'm really hoping there will be a prominent place for him in a new administration.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:26 PM
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6. No offense, but I don't think his message was ever, "vote for me, I'm white and male".
As much as I admire John, I can't help but think that his support today was not about his message nor his policies.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:30 PM
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12. His message was strongly pro-worker and anti-poverty.
Your view of this election is rather narrow.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:33 PM
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18. Any idea why that message didn't fly in Ohio or PA, but suddently took off in WV?
I'd be curious to hear them.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:39 PM
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21. The short answer is those voters don't buy that message from either Clinton or Obama.
The longer answer is he was buried by the media hype surrounding Obama toppling Clinton. ESPN has better ratings than C-Span.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:45 AM
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50. I live in an area
called the Northeast Kingdom. It's the three northeastern most counties in Vermont. It's also by far and away the most rural, whitest and poorest part of the state. Edwards got virtually no votes here. It wasn't a caucus. Why do you think his message didn't resonate among people here?
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:44 PM
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44. He wasn't in the spotlight much right before Ohio or Pa.
He has been all over the tv this past week talking about his anti-poverty efforts. He had all but disappeared right before Pa and Ohio. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that his strong progressive-populist would resonate with WV voters.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:43 PM
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23. I'm sad to say, I agree with you. :-(
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:26 PM
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7. Yep, WV will vote for a white man with no chance of winning just to spite a black guy or a woman
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:32 PM
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16. I'm sure that explains the dynamics of this election. Spite.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:35 PM
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19. You know, I think your mantra is getting old
Believe it or not, there are still plenty of people who greatly admire John Edwards for his record and for his message and you can count me as one of those people.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:40 PM
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22. I believe it, but would you vote for him at this point?
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:44 PM
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24. Actually, I was an Edwards supporter before he dropped out
And had he continued in the race he'd have gotten my vote. But Edwards has always had solid support here. So I interpret the Edwards vote as a certain percentage dissatisfied with both leading candidates plus a good percentage of those who simply believe in John's message and are voting their conscience.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:36 PM
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42. Yes, I would
I personally don't see that much difference between Clinton and Obama. Both are centrist to moderate left politicians who have good points and bad. Both are beholden to entrenched interests and are far, far too conservative for me. It matters not which one wins the nomination. I will vote for the nominee, but I don't have to participate in the process that chooses that person.

I guess that makes me a racist self hating misogynist, though I believe that decision has more to do with me being a Socialist. :shrug:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:26 PM
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8. I'm sorry but maybe
they couldn't vote for a woman or a black man?

He's been on the ballot after he lost but never scored
this high..

West Virginia is not a bastion of non-xenophobic sociological
data.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:33 PM
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17. I'm sure GDP is.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:27 PM
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10. I think that's a bit disrespectful to Sen. Edwards. He never made his race/gender a selling point.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:30 PM
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14. Exactly (nt)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:37 PM
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20. You realize this is a completely nonresponsive post?
And if it is responsive, do you agree with post #7?
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:47 PM
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26. I think I understand the point of your OP
and it was a nice sentiment and a tribute to John Edwards. This was the area he worked so hard to bring prosperity and recognition of these hard-working people. I think that it is difficult to put much forward here that isn't parsed into some polarized partisanship. John and Elizabeth are good people and I wish them the best in their anti-poverty campaign.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:54 PM
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29. It is not at all.
You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:45 PM
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25. Umm... didn't the Mrs say something about not being able to make him black.. or make him a woman...?
I am not trying to attack him.. I like the guy and hope he gets a spot in the next Administration.



just trying to be accurate


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:56 PM
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31. It has nothing to do with Edwards it has to do with the voter who voted
for him and why, when it would make no effect.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:58 PM
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32. And, as one with an Appalachian pedigree, I am unconvinced
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:59 PM by Occam Bandage
that the reason they voted for him was his "message."
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:20 PM
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38. It's a bullshit synopsis, sexism is alive and well as is racism
in West Virginia..... and Appalachia

This isn't a spin when the sociological data validates both.

West Virginia is not a vanguard on Civil Rights.




Appalachian Economic and Social Development

A Socioeconomic Assessment of Contemporary Appalachia

Researchers: Andrew Isserman, Research Professor; Dwight Billings, Professor of Sociology, University of Kentucky; Ronald Lewis, Eberly Professor of History; Brian Cushing, Associate Professor of Economics; Cynthia Rogers, Research Assistant Professor; Rodney Erickson, Professor of Geography, Pennsylvania State University; Kim Mencken, Graduate Research Assistant

External Funding: Appalachian Regional Commission
http://www.rri.wvu.edu/appala.htm

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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:45 PM
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45. You're right.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:52 PM
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28. A man with a Karl Marx avatar should not promote the values of anti-union Baptists who vote "ABB"
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:53 PM by Leopolds Ghost
"Anyone but the black man". Edwards only got a large percentage because
they considered him the only candidate worth voting for, but not because
of his politics -- because he's a southern white male.

It's sad because West Virginia used to be a pro-labor state, not a
Calvinist dictatorship like it is now.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:00 PM
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33. Is there a reason I should believe you know why 7% voted for Edwards?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:26 PM
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40. 'Each according to his needs' you have been owned
as they were in West Virginia.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:43 PM
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43. anti-union?....West Virginia?
Most unionized state in the country......when the hell did it become "anti-union". Last I checked, unions were so strong that GOP candidates usually have a hard time breaking 25% in the coal fields in Boone, Mingo, etc.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:33 AM
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49. You asked, "When the hell did it become anti-union?"
When people who don't know squat about West Virginia have nothing but stereotypes and cartoon images to support their bigoted views. To anyone who actually knows anything about West Virginia, the name Mother Jones might ring a bell. Some folks around here need fewer catch phrases and more lessons in history.
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:04 PM
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36. That was the biggest surprise tonight.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:12 PM
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37. Why do people have to be so Hateful
I'm supporting Hillary right now, but congratulations to Edwards. I have ALWAYS loved Edwards and have even donated to his campaign this time around. (when, as a student I don't have a lot of money to give). I think that all three of them would make an excellent president. I don't understand why certain supporters can't be happy when another candidate does well other than their own. This isn't about Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards. It is about democrats. All three of them are good democrates. Edwards would have had the easiest change of winning the GE. That I DO believe, and anyone who isn't biased towards a candidate would concur. Congrats to the Edwards supporters. Edwards BELIEVES 110% in his message, something I find hard to say I feel about Obama, or even about the person I'm supporting, Hillary Clinton. Not saying that Obama and Hillary DON'T believe... they do, it's just that extra 10% with Edwards! I know that Obama and Hillary care a lot about the nation and do believe in what they say (especially Health Care for Hillary and The War message from Obama) but not the way Edwards did. I don't feel like anyone has had the passion for their issues that Edwards had. I don't know what it is about him, but I just get that feeling when I hear him talk.

Regardless, this has been an amazing primary season, and I am hoping that we have an amazing GE. I will be supporting WHOEVER the nominee is as I feel proud of all three of these candidates.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:24 PM
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39. Out of all contests Edwards message had to echo in West Virginia?
I think that is an insult to him and his message. You know what else?

30% of Obama and Hillary voters said that they would for McCain in fall. I am wondering how Hillary could possibly win WV in GE when 30% of her and Obama supporters say that they are voting for McCain?
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:33 PM
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41. why is it an insult
a state full of union workers, the exact people who he was fighting for.

If West Virginia had been the first primary, he probably would have won it. I wanted to vote for Edwards but I could see that it was all a done deal after Florida and I wanted my vote to matter. So the question is, why is it an insult to Edwards that his message resonates in WV. Are some people more deserving to have a message resonate than others?
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:47 PM
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46. Thank you. Well said. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:22 AM
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48. Either that or they didn't know he dropped out months ago & just recognize his name.
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