76% reporting ... barely 250,000 voters total ... will WV hit 500,000?

Are there another 250,000 democratic votes in those last 24% of precincts?

Where's Austinitis?

Is there some correlation between turnout and passionate support for Obama?

If so, that's a big deal - and a great pro for Obama.

WV had higher turnout than most other states. by 20% or so

And 320,000 is fewer than the number of votes Kerry got in WV in 2004.

Again, I'll reserve judgement until the totals come in, but if they can't push it past their own goalpost, they're in trouble--well, worse trouble.

WV if it gets 320,000 will be about 95% of kerry

In fact, it proves the opposite point from what I think you are trying to make. It proves that the turnout is not due solely to Obama.

Here's the thread and OP that inspired my OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5950229

The relevant part, from a Clinton supporter:

here's the thread and OP that inspired my OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5950229

The relevant part, from a Clinton supporter:

if its sourced from a clinton supporter

Kerry votes, I mean.

and they opened it to Independents this year. This is a pathetic turn-out.


According to the Secretary of State's office, there are more than 1.18 million registered voters in 2008, with 29.38 percent as Republicans, 56.21 percent as Democrats. Nearly 23,000 people have registered as independents since the 2006 mid elections.

In the 2004 West Virginia Democratic primary, 432,316 voters turned out, a 2 percent decline from 2000.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/13/content_8155968.htm

This may be more proof that Obama does indeed bring in new, passionate voters.

I see about 260,000 or so from the data at USelectionatlas.org

The Chinese website link seems to be wrong. Here's an American link, with numbers for Kerry, Dean, Kucinich, etc., and the total.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/WV-D.phtml

If you add up the governor primary, you get a different amount of numbers, closer to 300,000. Not everybody votes in every election, and yes it's possible for someone to vote for the governor and not the presidential, and vice versa. I haven't found a raw number of voters anywhere.

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This is the 2004 governor's primary. You add it up, and then add up the 2004 presidential primmary. Post the results.

http://www.wvsos.com/elections/history/results/04%20democrat_statewide%20offices.pdf

In another attempt to play dumb, an Obama fan did not research the 2004 turnout properly.

The West Virginia Secratary of State data confirms that 250,000 votes were cast in the Dem. primary that year, if you add the totals for all candidates:

http://www.wvsos.com/elections/history/results/04%20democrat_federal%20offices.pdf

Sockpuppets sign in just to call little ol' me a liar. Too funny. As if I wrote the article. :rofl:

One post AND OUT! LOL! :)

and the need to push her over the top in popular vote. This was important, they made that clear, and they seem to have not met their own benchmark.

If I am wrong, I will admit it. I honestly don't know which precincts are still out and if the votes are there ... but I suspect probably not.

At least, there is in theory, but also empirically. We see this in race after race, especially in general elections. Most of the time, nationally, Democrats want a big turnout. Republicans want to suppress the vote.

Typically, small parties (or candidates who have small constituencies in the electorate) try to make up for their shortcomings by depth of commitment. In other words, candidates who have fewer supporters hope that turnout is low but that all their supporters show up, whereas candidates of the majority faction/party would actually prefer mandatory universal voting.


What's unique in Obama's case, at least in American politics in my lifetime, is that he enjoys a numerical edge and great depth of commitment.

That by the media pundits saying for the last week it was over, it discouraged people from voting. In other words, if the media wasn't saying that, the turnout would've been higher and Hillary's margin of victory in terms of the popular vote would've been larger.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2008/results/wv/401999/full.html

I think you forgot to count Edwards.

That would be about 368,000 (estimated) votes when all is said and done.

:doh:

I went by the numbers on the CNN website and the back of my envelope ... CNN only listed Clinton and Obama. Mea culpa, and thanks for keeping me honest!

Maybe somebody should have brought donuts.

lol

He's surely won enough of them. ;)

the Clinton's decide what "matters". Delegates don't "matter, Caucuses don't "matter", Some Big States "matter"..some not so much, and small states..except for West Virginia don't "matter".

Granted, it was a primary, but this was about 90-95% of a GE Dem turnout by the standard of Kerry's vote in 2004.

unlike most primaries so far which were at about 75% of Kerry's GE Dem turnout

as average turnout.

turnout is probably a bit lower than it would have been otherwise.

most states so far got a much lower turnout than this.


2004 primary turnout = 252,839
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/WV-D.phtml

2004 General - Kerry votes = 326,541
http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WV/P/00/

Most primaries this season averaged about 75% of Kerry's 2004 General election total. WV beat Kerry's 2004 General election total. It is very high turnout, even for this primary.

apples vs. oranges

WV had a very big turnout even compared to other states in this primary season

But when in the first half of this thread Obama supporters frantically searched data from 2004 in order to compare it to 2008, then it was apples and apples.

Lol.

“RECORD TURNOUT!” before the polls closed?

And aren't there about 600,000 registered Dems in WV?

This doean't do a helluva lot to close the pop vote and SupDel lead.

I wasn't expecting to attract so many, erm, interested parties.

Just to be clear, the purpose behind the OP was to keep things honest with regard to the HRC camp's claims about 'record turnouts' and pushing HRC's popular vote total 'over the top.'

The Kerry figure from 2004 GE was relevant only as a benchmark--that is, in order to have 500,000 vote in the 2008 Dem primary, there would have needed to be 50% more voters coming out for the 2008 primary than came out for Kerry for the GE in 2004.

(Don't even get me started on the whole 70%-80% for HRC part!)

Anyway, ty all! :)

According to The Green Papers there was 252,839 votes in the 2004 primary in WV.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/WV-D.phtml

It looks like the final total came in around 350,000. Not such good news for HRC's campaign, but great news for Dems in general.