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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:01 PM
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AK: 75/25; CO: 67/32; D.C. 75/24; GA: 67/31; HI: 76/24; ID: 79/17; IL: 65/33; KS: 74/26 ...
All crushing Obama defeats to Clinton.

OUCH!

Geeeeeeee, I guess "those" crushing defeats didn't mean anything did they?

I didn't even make it through the rest of the alphabet, figured I'd stop with KS.

So, let us reflect on the numbers that put Obama where he is now and know why he WILL be our nominee.

GOBAMA!
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dubeskin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:02 PM
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1. But remember, all the states Obama won don't matter
And don't count. Only the Clinton wins matter, and only those delegates will decide the convention...:eyes:
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:04 PM
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3. WV CLEARLY matters...far more than WI, MO, IL, GA, etc...nt
Its just me, but I'm guessing Oregon won't matter.
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dubeskin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:08 PM
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5. Oh, absolutely
Those intelligent learned citizens of the great state of West Virginia, which I'm sure would vote for Hillary in November if she manages to steal the nomination, absolutely matter in this election, when the nominee is nearly decided upon.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:04 PM
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2. Well, yeah, but those didn't happen today and they were given large amounts of attention when they
happened. GA, DC, and IL are the most impressive since they were primaries, but Clinton also did that well in the AR and WV primaries. Anywho, whatever...
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:16 PM
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8. The Point is ...
If you total up her 60%+ wins up and put them beside Obama's 60%+ wins, we know who has the most.

But somehow, the states that Clinton won mean sooooooo much more than any states Obama has won. WTF?

And as far as the media making a big deal about Obama's big wins ... wha?

I don't remember anyone batting an eye about Idaho. Or is that just me?

When Obama took apart Clinton in Alaska, can you really say that the Nation blinked?

All I heard was that those states didn't matter. They weren't bell weather, they were taylor made for Obama, yada yada yada.

But now, we get a taylor made Clinton state like WV, and before the night is over the pundits are considering that this could change the game. Somehow it actually matters if she slams Obama and the numbers are lopsided.

For Obama, a win in Idaho was a win ... just a win. Winning 51/49 was the same as nearly getting to 80%. It didn't seem to matter that the end result scored Obama more delegates, that fact was swept under the carpet.

But N-O-W it matters. Now Obama needs to be worried. The SDs need to freeze in their tracks. The Nation needs to 'rethink' this thing.

WTF?!

The Clintons are whack and so is anyone that wants to believe the manufactured reality they continue to attempt to present.

The reality that was presented to us w/ the numbers Obama was winning by months ago was the reality more people should have been paying attention to.

Maybe if they did then Hillary's campaign would have fired Mark Penn long ago and taken their heads out of their asses at the same time.

In the end, I guess the media and her blind campaign lied to themselves long enough to do us all a favor. Now, it seems, it is just too late.

I, for one, believe Obama will win the White House and we lead over one of the best administrations this country has ever seen.

GOBAMA!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:29 PM
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14. Well done!
:applause:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:25 AM
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23. The Clinton's manufactured reality
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:06 PM
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4. I've got to hand it to people on this board - you perfect the art of being the sore winner nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:10 PM
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6. people are forgetting how he won big out in rural states
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amelia Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:14 PM
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7. And out of all those you listed only 3 will be won by a Democrat &that big win in AK = 450 votes
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:16 PM by amelia
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:20 PM
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9. We know, amelia, Obama won them so they don't count. nt
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:30 PM
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15. So,
Are you telling us that we should only hold primaries and caucuses in the states that 'matter?'

Or maybe the states that 'matter' should have F-A-R more delegates up for grabs than the states that don't 'matter.'

How would that work?

Because the last time I checked the system was agreed upon before a vote was cast, and Hillary agreed to them.

She has been weighed.
She has been measured.
And she has absolutely...
Been found wanting.

Welcome to a New World. God save her, if it is right that he should do so.

GoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:20 PM
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10. better table below
States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)
* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 2 States
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (??)
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:33 PM
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18. wow
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:20 PM
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11. Never to be repeated. Ah, those were the days, my friend.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:21 PM
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12. watch for Oregon, Montana, South Dakota :-)
Obama will still be the nominee at the end of this anyway in all metrics.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 PM
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20. He won't be near 60% in any of them. Kentucky and Puerto Rico, however . . .
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:26 PM
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13. I am happy someone points this out about obama winning the
red states but will stay red in november. obama better decide on shoring up the blue states in which mccain leads obama but hrc defeats mccain in those blue states a dem must have to win the presidency.

HRC would start off this election with a plus 78 electoral vote lead as she will carry ohio and florida, and New York Now you could add Illinois being born there, one could add 21 more. Now the total even before the november election is 99. Now add Mass with 12, her total is 111. Now add Michigan with 17, she has 128. California with 55, now her total is 183. Now add New Jersey with 15 and you 198.add Maryland with 10 and you have 208......

Now you have the others that are leaning dem but more so with HRC as the nominee. ark 6 dc 3 haw 4 w v 5 wisc 10 wash 11 verm 3 r.i. 4 ore. 7 new mex. 5 minn 10 maine 4 dela 3 conn 7. Now you have 82 more electoral votes and the total is

290 electoral votes and HRC is 44.

Ben David
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:47 PM
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22. But outside the Democratic Party
People fucking HATE Hillary Clinton.

I'm dumbfounded at how Hillary supporters lie to themselves about that.

There's a reason why a state like Idaho only gave Hillary 17% of a vote in it's primary.

The woman is hated.

The GOP is doing all it can w/ morons like Pat Bucannon to try and get Hillary in.

Their infinite wet dream is to run against her.

She can NOT win the White House.

You can continue to lie to yourselves and yearn to run the same fucking campaign that lost us the last two elections, but I say fuck that!

The rethugs will run out the exact same formula against Hillary. Their base and every Hillary hating thug out there will activate and will NOT run out of energy until she is defeated.

Against Obama they have no energy. They won't show up in force. They will lose the White House just like they lost the 2006 elections that gave Congress to the Democrats.

Hating the Democratic Party just won't get enough people to the polls to give the race to McCain.

The energy for Obama is just getting started. There's a legion of people out there ready to vote for him who has NEVER voted in their lives.

The GOP fears Obama, and for good reason. We haven't seen the numbers, but if the numbers from the primaries and caucuses are the same in the GE, Obama could win the White House w/ the same kind of numbers that Reagan won it back in 1980.

The GOP isn't behind McCain and the ONLY way he can win is through hardcore H-A-T-E of the other candidate. It's chapter ONE from the Karl Rove book. They count on it like farmers count on rain.

Without it their formula for winning has to be completely recalculated, and they can't retool in time to win in November.

Their machine is configured to face Hillary, not Obama. A strong turnout from an 18-35 age crowd w/ a huge African-American and Hispanic population at the polls defeats them in huge numbers.

They know it.

Remember how it was supposed to be 'close' between Hillary and Obama in Wisconsin???

Yeah ... right.

Their numbers are showing red states turning over to blue in places that haven't been blue for ages.

Their machine would fall apart and would take years to put back together.

That's something I want to be a part of more than anything.

Don't you?
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:31 PM
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16. .
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:32 PM
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Only bitter elitists expect those states to count
Everyone knows that the entire nomination is determined exclusively by Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:32 PM
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17. You should already know that the states Obama won don't mean squat.
:eyes:
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 PM
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19. Obama won 16 states with 60% or more, I think. Something around there.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:34 PM by PseudoIntellect
HILLARY wins with 60+% tonight, bringing her total to TWO! Big problems for Obama!11
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:30 AM
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25. 17 if you count Virgin Islands
elections won with 60% or more of the vote:

Barack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI
* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)
* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 2 States
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (67%)
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:35 PM
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21. The MSM wants this to go on.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:30 AM
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26. & the GOP wants it to go on and on and on
licking their lips
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:28 AM
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24. Wow this guy goes on a tear!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:35 AM
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27. Are those "Caucus" #'s?
I think MOST are. hint:::>>> NO caucusing allowed in thr gE! Obama....LOSE.
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