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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:34 AM
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WV Final Count - Clinton 67.0%, Obama 25.7%, Edwards 7.3% (109% turnout compared to Kerry 2004 Gen)
Edited on Wed May-14-08 02:43 AM by jsamuel
Clinton 239,062 67.0%
Obama 91,652 25.7%
Edwards 26,076 7.3%

Total votes 356,790 = 109% of Kerry's General Election Total

This means that 9% more people voted in the 2008 WV primary than voted for Kerry in the 2004 general election.

Clinton + 147,410 votes

Delegates will either be 19 C to 9 O or 20 C to 8 O.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:37 AM
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1. Nowhere near the numbers Clinton was expecting
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:44 AM
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5. Baloney
She beat Obama almost 3-to-1.

I don't think anyone expected her to win 100% of the votes. But 72% of the combined Clinton-Obama votes is pretty good.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:47 AM
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7. I'm not talking percentages. I'm talking voter turnout
McAuliffe was touting 500,000 West Virginians showing up. Instead, 350,000 showed up. if 500,000 had showed up, she would have won by over 200,000 votes I believe and that would have helped her cause to win the popular vote, the last metric she can pretend exists. Instead she won by 147,000 which will not be enough.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:48 AM
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8. 500,000 was impossible
320,000 showed up in 2004 to vote for Kerry in the General Election.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:50 AM
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9. Well, McAuliffe said there are 1.1 million democrats in WV
So that is entirely possible.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/12/mcauliffe-says-clinton-staying-in-will-win-popular-vote/
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:39 AM
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2. Hilary received 72% of the combined Clintion-Obama votes
Which means she should received 72% of the votes that count toward elected delegates.

If they apportioned delegates based on counties won, Hilary would get 100% of the delegates.

And as Hilary has aptly pointed out, if delegates were apportioned on a winner-takes-all manner, like they are in the general election, she'd have won the nomination already.
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:44 AM
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6. And as I'm aptly pointing out
If Hillary was Spider-man, she could bound from building to building, fighting crime.

Unlike Mark Penn, Obama's strategists understood proportional delegate allocation, and planned accordingly.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:58 AM
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15. I think she has said if things were like the GOP she would have
won by now. I do believe that Bill had some thing to do with how this was all set up. Didn't they re-do the rules a little while ago? I see nothing wrong in just taking the Pop. count but since they put in these SD I guess we need to count them. I am not sure I can keep up with Clinton and the rules. They do not seem to stay the same. I am sorry her dream is not turning out, as they seemed to have in their minds when they started, but it is really not about the Clinton's it is about the voters.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:41 AM
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3. Seriously, Congrats Hillary on the win, and Congrats Obama on the deserved Nomination. Good fight!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:43 AM
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4. Congrats Hillary!
5 more to go!
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:52 AM
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10. Basis for your delegate count, please?
Edited on Wed May-14-08 02:54 AM by NewHampshireDem
CNN sez 16 C 7 O

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=WV

All in all, it's gotta be pretty depressing around the HRC campaign, since they were really pushing to get the turnout up ... even here on DU some where hitting that 500,000 voter meme pretty hard.

On edit: Real Clear Politics sez the same
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:55 AM
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12. Does Edwards get any delegates?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:58 AM
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14. No, a candidate needs to get 15% either statewide or in a particular district
Edited on Wed May-14-08 03:00 AM by jsamuel
he got into the teens in some counties, but not enough to get over 15%.

So delegates will be divided as if Edwards was not there. So, Clinton will get 72% and Obama will get 28% statewide. Districts haven't been determined fully yet.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:57 AM
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13. just from reports I read online
the delegate counts have not been set in stone yet
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:55 AM
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11. He couldnt break 26%, talk about failing miserably.

Embarrassing, call yourself the nominee and then lose the next state HUGE.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 AM
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16. SOUR GRAPES
Hillary the NEOCON LOST
Buh Bye
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:41 AM
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18. HIllary has lost 15 states to Obama by over 20 pts.
talk about failing miserably.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:04 AM
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22. most of them by cheating in caucuses and not in a primary.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:05 AM
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24. Agreed. They really need to compare apples to apples.
Not apples to fishhooks.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:44 AM
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19. Point to a single quote where Obama said he was the nominee.
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Summer of 41 Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:37 AM
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17. That 's a freakin back of the barn belt whippin!
You can't spin that.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:07 AM
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20. Clinton did very well last night. It still doesn't matter one bit. nt.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:39 AM
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21. update: Delegate count is 20 C to 8 O
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:05 AM
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23. I saw the numbers this morning on the TV at the gym and I was wondering abouth the ~7%
Edwards is still pulling 7% :wow: now that tells you something
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