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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:44 AM
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So OBAMA wins 15 states with 60% plus and CLINTON only 2
Obama won in many places where there were few African Americans, in rural areas, farming areas, few latte drinkers.
I think we need to stop the Clinton and McCain campaigns spinning inaccurate data.

I hope Slinkerwink won't mind me using this:

States & elections won with 60% or more of the vote:
Barack Obama: 15 States + DC + VI

* Virgin Islands (89.9%)
* Idaho (79%)
* Hawaii (76%)
* Alaska (75%)
* District of Columbia (75%)
* Kansas (74%)
* Washington (68%)
* Nebraska (68%)
* Minnesota (67%)
* Colorado (67%)
* Georgia (67%)
* Illinois (65%)
* Virginia (64%)
* Maryland (62%)
* North Dakota (61%)
* Wyoming (61%)
* Mississippi (61%)

Hillary Clinton: 2 States
* Arkansas (70%)
* West Virginia (67%)
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:45 AM
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1. This PROVES he can't win...
I'm looking at those numbers and all I see is defeat for Obama!!! Only Hillary Clinton who everyone loves and has massive respect for and trusts can win!

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:49 AM
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2. I'm not sure what Primary she is running in
it doesn't seem that She is in the currently one.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:02 AM
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3. yeah but those states don't count.
Only West Virginia and Arkansas count.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:04 AM
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4. Here's a post with a Picture for The Math Impaired
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:07 AM
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5. Let's see Obama win...
...Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Georgia, North Dakota, Wyoming, and Mississippi in the GE. It isn't going to happen.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:10 AM
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6. I live in Minnesota and I can tell you that this is a big Obama state.
If Pawlenty, our Governor becomes McCain's VP, it won;t be a blowout, but I still think he'll carry the state.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:14 AM
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7. And Clinton's gonna win West Virginia in the general?
Edited on Wed May-14-08 08:15 AM by alcibiades_mystery
:rofl:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:32 AM
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10. Her husband did twice.
Obama can't even break 30%

:rofl:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:53 AM
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13. And Clinton's gonna win West Virginia in the general?
:rofl:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:31 AM
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8. Obama will win Georgia.
It's not nearly as red as everyone wants to think.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:38 AM
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12. I think it can happen too.
See my post below.

Bob Barr may push Obama over the edge in GA.

And by the way, Go Dawgs.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:59 AM
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14. Their primary shocked me - it went Obama 35+ points over Clinton!
I was very pleasantly surprised :thumbsup:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:38 PM
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23. The primary electorate was over 50% African American.
The general election electorate will likely only be 30% at the max. Democrats typically only get about 20-25% of the white vote in there.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:37 PM
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22. Where is the evidence it isn't? Since 2000 we have been subjected to nothing
short of political genocide down in Georgia.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:32 AM
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9. That's true, but he'll win some of those.
Obama can, and will, win Minnesota and probably Kansas. Also, Bob Barr puts Georgia into play for Obama, and only Obama.

In 2004, Bush won Georgia in a landslide (58-41). But more than 0.5% voted for weak Libertarian candidate Badnarik. This time around, the Libertarian candidate is from in-state.

If Barr can steal 5% in GA in November (which is very possible) and African American voters are highly mobilized, which they will be, it could be close. Close enough, in fact, for the Obama campaign to consider putting resources into the state. There are a couple of small pockets but significant pockets of white liberals in the state (Athens, Savannah). If they commit resources, there's no telling what may happen.

And it's not implausible that his campaign won't commit considerable resources there. The state will have 15 electoral college votes in 2008, tied with N. Carolina for most in the South (except for Florida, of course).

Georgia would never be in play for Clinton, but Barr might put it into play for Obama.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:35 AM
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11. K & R!
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:06 AM
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15. WOW..that's really impressive! No wonder she is finished
Edited on Wed May-14-08 10:06 AM by quantass
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SparkyMac Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:31 AM
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16. Let me use one state as an example
Your's is an informative post and you raise a legitimate issue. But what concerns me is that by using total votes in the Democratic primary as being "total votes" is a little misleading and could cause a sense of false security.

For instance in your illustration you show Obama carrying Georgia with 67% of the total.

Actually there were approximately 2,022,000 votes cast on Super Tuesday. Obama got 704,000. Which is good -- but is only 35% of Georgia's total vote that day. And in the general election in 2004, Georgians cast 3,298,000 votes.

My point is that even though Obama may well win Georgia (for instance) -- he has not come anywhere near a majority yet. More people have voted against him than voted for him.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:38 PM
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17. He has been fighting a two front campaign against McCain and Hillary.
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:39 PM by myrna minx
When he is able to get the Democratic message out there as a united message for the party against McCain, he will do quite well. So far he's been in primary mode, when he transitions into GE mode, McCain's numbers will go down. McCain has had a free pass from the media and good name recognition. With that going for him you would think McCain's numbers would be FAR higher than they are. The GE is going to be difficult, but I'm confident that we will take back the WH with Obama.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:35 PM
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19. I agree!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:33 PM
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18. well we will have to put it to the test in November!
I'm sure that there are many many uptapped voters in Georgia who will come out for us in Nov
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:35 PM
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20. Great post. Washington DC stunner. Is that the highest of primaries?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:36 PM
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21. How many of these were unrepresentative caucuses?
Out of curiosity.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:39 PM
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24. It so happens that WASHINGTON and NEBRASKA both had subsequent non-binding Primaries --
(in which Congressional and other state-level candidates were selected.)

In BOTH Washington and Nebraska, FAR MORE PEOPLE VOTED IN THE PRIMARIES. AND, in both states, Obama won the primaries

by a couple of points each.

I think it would be fair to say that if there were no caucuses, Obama would have FAR fewer "landslide" states than Hillary has had.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:39 PM
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25. *Two things
1) Most of Obama's victories were caucuses. (Primaries would have sunken the margins..see WA state)
2) They were all before the mid-March revelation of Mr. J Wright.

The WV vote last night was more anti-Obama vs pro-Hillary.

He's got a ton of work ahead of him to patch things up in the next half-year.
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