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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:39 AM
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McAwful's "projectile nonsense," and so much for Hillary's soft landing (updated)
Edited on Wed May-14-08 09:02 AM by ProSense

Never Die!!

Even with Hillary's blow-out win in West Virginia and the amazing Democratic victory in Mississippi, for me tonight's going to be about Terry McAuliffe's tour de force moment when he turned projectile nonsense into something approaching the sublime ...

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So much for a soft landing

Posted May 14th, 2008 at 9:00 am

Following up on the last item, by any realistic measure, Hillary Clinton’s landslide victory in West Virginia, while impressive, has not changed any of the metrics of the Democratic race. Barack Obama currently leads in pledged delegates, superdelegates, popular votes, states won, fundraising, and poll numbers. Clinton won big in a state where she was expected to win big, but when it comes to the enormous deficit she’s facing, last night’s gains barely dented Obama’s lead.

<...>

Campaign hyperbole notwithstanding, Clinton’s pitch in Charleston suggested she’s going to do everything possible to drag this process out as long as she can.

She started with a fundraising pitch…

“Now, tonight, tonight, I need your help to continue this journey. We are in the homestretch. There are only three weeks left in the final contests. And your support can make the difference between winning and losing. So I hope you’ll go to HillaryClinton.com and support our campaign.”

…and then moved the goalposts…

his race isn’t over yet. Neither of us has the total delegates it takes to win. And both Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated. I believe we should honor the votes cast by 2.3 million people in those states and seat all of their delegates. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 50 states, the number of delegates needed to win is 2,209, and neither of us has reached that threshold yet.”

…and then went after Obama on electability.

“I deeply admire Senator Obama, but I believe our case — a case West Virginia has helped to make — our case is stronger. Together, we have won millions and millions of votes. By the time tonight is over, probably 17 million, close to it.”

These are not the words of a candidate looking for a soft landing.

Whether Clinton’s pitch is compelling or not, it’s worth taking a moment to consider precisely the kind of odds she’s up against. In addition to trailing in every metric, Clinton does not have a realistic road to the nomination.

<...>

Clinton’s decision to ignore the landscape and keep fighting isn’t helping. It’s not helping her; it’s not helping the party.

In my heart of hearts, I genuinely don’t believe Clinton is on some kind of vanity exercise, or trying to sabotage Obama. My sense is that Clinton is absolutely convinced that she can win in November and Obama can’t, and that by staying in, she might convince others to feel the same way. Clinton, in other words, believes she should save the party from itself.

If uncommitted superdelegates disagree, they can end the contest today.


No it's arrogance, vanity and knowing in her heart of hearts that a Democrat, Obama, will be the next president.

Updated to add this from Hillary's site:

Fact Check: Bill Clinton Did Not Predict Hillary Would Win 80% Of The Vote In West Virginia

Bill Clinton did not predict Hillary would win 80% of the vote in West Virginia. He said that even if Hillary won 80% of the vote, it wouldn't make a difference if only 100,000 people voted:

Last week President Bill Clinton told a campaign crowd that ”all this stuff you are hearing about is an attempt to discourage you. That's what this is, pure and simple, hoping, 'Well, Hillary can get 80 percent of the vote in West Virginia', and if only 100,000 people show up it is not enough. But if 600,000 people show up, and you say, 'We want a president', then you will see the earth move."


So the votes don't count unless they help Hillary win? Why is this important for her campaign to point out?





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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:44 AM
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1. I agree, he is McAwful.........k&r
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:03 AM
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2. Hillary's campaign is becoming a spectacle
It's embarrassing.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:17 AM
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3. No comment? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:45 AM
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4. Hillary's impossible math
Current plus FL and MI (Obama get MI 55)

Obama 1883 + 122 = 2005

Hillary 1717 + 178 = 1895

Obama +110

There are 241 superdelegates and 189 pledged delegates left.

Let's say they split the super delegates 50/50: each get 120

Obama 2005 + 120 = 2125

Hillary 1895 + 120 = 2015

Needed for the nomination 2209

Obama 84

Hillary 194 (or all remaining pledged delegates plus 5)

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:23 AM
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5. It's safe to say that John Aravosis is no longer a Hillary fan
Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Go away you horrible human being

by John Aravosis (DC) · 5/13/2008 09:25:00 PM ET · Link

IT'S NOT CLOSE. YOU FREAKING LOST THE NOMINATION, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Good God. What is wrong with her? The Clintons and their campaign staff don't give a damn that they are now hurting our electoral chances in the fall against McCain and against the Republicans in Congress. Their campaign isn't happening in some vacuum, and they know it. Our candidates can't fundraise because of her. Obama can't focus on McCain because of her. Obama is wasting money on HER, rather than spending it on McCain, because of her. EMILY's List, and AFSCME, and the American Federation of Teachers and others are wasting their members' money on her now-failed race - money that they could be spending, should be spending, on other real races, races that haven't already lost. She can't win, the math says she lost the nomination, but she doesn't give a damn. She's going to stay in the race like some spoiled hateful egotistical brat.

Why is the media even covering her? The only stories that should be written about Hillary Clinton is how much damage she's causing our party. How she's hurting fundraising at the DNC - they even admitted it, they're not raising the money they need to fight John McCain because of this woman. Why don't you write some stories about how she is hurting our candidates who can't fundraise because of her? How she has forced EMILY's List and AFSCME and the AFT to waste their money because of her. How she has caused a civil war in the Netroots. Five months ago we all felt that we had 3 great candidates. Now, far too many of us loathe Hillary Clinton, and she has done her racist best to ensure that her supporters can't stand Barack Obama either.

The Clintons don't give a damn about our party. Their party, their church, is themselves. To hell with everyone else. I actually liked Hillary up until a few months ago. Other bloggers used to tell me that Joe and I were too nice to Hillary. People just assumed that we were endorsing her. Now I actually loathe her. She makes me yell at the TV like she's George Bush, and no one other than George Bush makes me yell at the TV - until now. I actually can't stand her or her husband any more. I defended her. I defended her husband. And now I'm actually wondering if the Republicans weren't right about them. That's how bad she has damaged her reputation. People who actually liked you, who actually helped you, who actually defended you, LOATHE you now. Call me a Clinton-hater all you like, but people like me were the ones who had your back. And we never will again.

Let me close with what Mike Huckabee just said on MSNBC:

"The happiest person in America tonight is John McCain."






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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:02 AM
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6. Wow, that's a scorcher. John doesn't mince words does he?
:thumbsup:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:10 AM
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7. she's forcing Democrats to spend money needed in down-ballot races
She's draining coffers of the DNC and unions fighting this pointless protracted nomination process, jeopardizing the resources to fight in the fall.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:13 AM
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8. That's because this has always been about HER, not US. nt
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