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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:33 PM
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The long primary fight has helped not hurt. It has kept us in the news.
The freepers understand this. They also see the writing on the wall. The Mississippi election drove this home in no uncertain terms. They based their hopes on tying the Dem candidate to Obama. I suggest we stop worrying about what effect our primary fight will have on the General Election. It has raised the name recognition of Obama, and shown Hillary as a tough as nails politician. It has worked in our favor and has driven the Reps to despair. Read below to see how they are reacting.



To: Obadiah
The Obama-Clinton race has energized RATS. The GOP primary was dull.

22 posted on May 14, 2008 9:31:13 AM EDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)


To: Obadiah
Vote Republican: We promise not to piss away another 14 years.

24 posted on May 14, 2008 9:32:34 AM EDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Obadiah
a spread that several Republican strategists on Capitol Hill characterized as a startling wake-up call for a party in dire straits

They didn't answer the wake-up call that came in 2006.

They are going to find themselves startled again in 2008, if they don't wake-up soon.


25 posted on May 14, 2008 9:33:17 AM EDT by TomGuy
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To: Mr. Jeeves
That’s why McCain still has some chance to win the Presidency, because he has been so effective in distancing himself from the tainted GOP brand.
For the rest of the party, a wholesale purge is coming.
____________
Yes it is. I shudder to think what November will look like if Obama wins. Dems will have a huge margin in the House, and possibly 60 seats in the senate. Hello socialism.
Gulp.

26 posted on May 14, 2008 9:33:33 AM EDT by Tulane
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To: Obadiah
Just an indication of what is to come and a big reason that if McLame is elected that he will be stymied by Congress and Senate which are controlled by the Dims.

27 posted on May 14, 2008 9:33:34 AM EDT by KeyLargo
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To: Aria
“I don’t understand why people are mad at the economy. Unemployment isn’t high, taxes are down, and the stock market is holding it’s own - the only big problem I see is the price of gas and who do we have to blame for that? The Democrats.”
That’s usually too much for your average dolt behind a cash register to comprehend.

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:35 PM
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1. What hurts is when one candidate says shit like "Working Class White voters"
That pissed me off to no end.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:51 PM
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5. It showed that racial politics won't work.
I still think that Hillary is working behind the scenes with Obama. It has made him a better candidate, raised his name recognition, allowed him to deal with potential Republican attacks, and inoculated him for the GE. She has thrown at him all she can and he has for the most part handled the attacks. Many of the same issues will come up in the GE, but the public has already had the change to make up their minds on those issues. If McCain brings them up they will be old news. They will not have the impact they had when first reported.

I think most of the country has made up their minds on Obama and Hillary. It's going to hinge on how we dismantle McCain and how well we get out the vote.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:27 PM
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20. Spot on
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:31 PM by Patsy Stone
:thumbsup:

Plus, Obama's had time to accumulate a huge war chest for the GE.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:05 AM
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22. Let's hope we don't fuck up.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:58 AM
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24. she was awkward
Talking about blue collar voters as a voting bloc is very common in politics. She is not the best at avoiding clumsy language. Democrats have been talking about "working class white voters" since at least when Reagan grabbed Democratic districts such as UAW areas like Macomb county, Michigan. All Democratic political strategists talk about voting blocs and consider blue collar whites to be such a voting bloc.

That pissed you off. But you being pissed off does not mean that anyone is hurting the party. In fact, you being pissed off at your fellow Democrats may be the most damaging thing around this issue.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:36 PM
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2. agreed, McCain continues to fall in the polls and dems keep picking up new voters in the process..
I was worried the reverse of this would happen a few months ago.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:01 PM
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11. Now Hillary is saying it would be a grave mistake for her supporters to
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:38 PM
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3. Even freepers call him McLame. Sad
Edited on Wed May-14-08 01:39 PM by anonymous171
NOT! :evilgrin:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:57 PM
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12. Payback's a B**** They were so uncool with their gloating. They just
don't have the moral center to handle positions of power.
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:44 PM
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4. A Repub at work complained yesterday that McCain wasn't getting any Media...
I told him he was lucky and started mentioning all the negatives and flips he's been doing.

I politely worded that I would have considered McCain in 2000 (and he fell for it) but I realized I wasn't as sharp as I used to be. (I'm 55+) He (60+) admitted he wasn't thinking as quickly as before. This isn't agism it's reality.

He finally stated he'll probably vote for Obama because he feels he is the only candidate that the world would respect.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:53 PM
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6. One voter at a time, that's how you do it.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:59 PM
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7. Did you remind him that the WORLD also respects and LOVES the Clintons.
It's just the far left wing Democrats and Rethugs who don't like them. Just about one half the Democrats (minus 95% of DU) have positive feelings about the Clintons. How do you think he made all those millions speaking? He was voted the most popular man in the world. Bet you forgot to remind him of that?
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:05 PM
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8. ..and it is drawing people out to vote like nothing else has in years...
IT is wonderful that states that have long felt they had no voice in the nominating process are now feeling not merely included at last, but that they are an important part of the process.
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Ensalada Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:35 PM
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9. They aren't an important part of the process
no matter how they feel.

Corporations and media had narrowed down the options to Hillary and Obama months before the first primary.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:54 PM
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10. That's why we as citizens must keep involved past Nov 4. The
corporatist will not give up their power, it will need to be taken.


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gbrenna Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:50 PM
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13. No way-
if Hillary had conceded after Wisconsin, we would be able to have a united campaign now. We would not have wasted all the money on this prolonged primary. Hillary totally messed up. If the Democrats were to lose in November (I don't think this will happen), you could lay the blame at her door.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:39 PM
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15. It has not been wasted. Obama has been able to get a lot of free press.
He has been able to build organizations in all 50 states. The interest has stayed high because of all the drama injected into the race by Hillary's stubbornness. I don't know for sure if she is really trying to win, or there is another plan that involves keeping the candidate before the media. We all know Obama much better now than we did back a few months ago. He has proven that he can take a hit.



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:51 PM
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14. A contested convention will be even better
a chance for US voters to see how democracy works firsthand.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:05 PM
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17. It holds their attention.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:41 PM
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16. Yup. I've said that all along.
:toast:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:09 PM
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18. I agree somewhat but not Hillary's negative campaigning.
but the idea that it has gone on this long and McCain had languished is good news for us.,
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:29 PM
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21. It was effectively a dress rehearsal for Obama. Now he's ready for opening night....
It's too bad that Clinton chose to debase herself into race-baiting, but whatever. It worked out for the best for Obama.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:24 PM
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19. According to Rasmussen Reports: Election 2008 Creating Record Number of Democrats
Partisan Trends - link:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends


"The ongoing race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination may be causing angst for party leaders, but the competition has been good for the Party label. In fact, the Democrats now have the largest partisan advantage over the Republicans since Rasmussen Reports began tracking this data on a monthly basis nearly six years ago."

"The 10.0 percentage point advantage for Democrats is up from a 2.1 point advantage in December. "

"Democrats now hold an advantage among all age groups. Among the youngest voters, those under 30, the Democrats have a twelve-point advantage. Just 28% of those young voters say they’re Republicans while 40% identify with the Democrats."

"In 2004, the Democrats began the year with a 2.3 percentage point edge over the GOP. That grew to 4.0 points by March before moving in the Republican direction for the rest of the year. By Election Day in 2004, the edge for Democrats was a mere 1.6 percentage points.

"In 2006, the Democrats began the year with just a 1.6 percentage point advantage. That grew to 6.1 percentage points by November. "



link to full article:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:39 AM
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23. that is some impressive optimism
but its wrong.
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