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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:23 PM
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so what the hell happened to edwards saying he wouldn't endorse anyone?
I guess it's okay for him to change his position, when it's for the candidate of your choosing.

t's Official: John And Elizabeth Edwards Will Not Endorse In Prez Race
By Greg Sargent - May 5, 2008, 6:20PM

John and Elizabeth Edwards have finally made their endorsement plans -- or lack of them -- official.

On the eve of potentially decisive voting in Indiana and North Carolina, with political tensions at white-hot levels, John and Elizabeth revealed all in an interview with People magazine, of all outlets.

The news in the interview is that they confirmed they will not endorse either candidate in the presidential race, because they are "saving their political capital for their own causes -- his, fighting poverty; hers, fighting for universal health care," reports, um, People mag.

John also shared his thoughts on the pros and cons of Hillary and Obama...

. . . .
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/its_official_john_and_elizabet.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:23 PM
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1. Maybe he felt that the circumstances have become to serious to remain inactive.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:24 PM
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2. Sometimes people change their minds when circumstances change. NT
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:39 PM
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30. That's going to be the Obama supporters mantra in the next few years.
Starting with Iraq.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:45 PM
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35. Heaven forbid anyone "flip-flops" on anything.
Not like Zellary, who has the "strength" to never, ever admit that the blood on her hands from the IWR was a mistake.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:47 PM
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36. I disagree with your hyperbole. But, Edwards also voted for the IWR,
But you know Barack Obama will shift ever slightly to the right, a bit more, a bit more, a bit more as the GE moves along.

One day, you won't recognize him. Or maybe you finally will.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:07 PM
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44. So, you're saying that because Obama may become more moderate as the GE goes on,
that therefore, I should've supported HILLARY this whole time - Hillary, who forgoes being a "moderate" altogether and is just and all-out RWer?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:10 PM
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49. I didn't say anything of the sort, and if you think I did, brush up on your reading comprehension.
Bye, now. :hi:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:55 PM
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41. yes, it just amazes me that none of the obama supporters, so sure of their candidate's stance on
iraq, ever has any response to the jeremy scahill piece:

February 28, 2008
Blackwaterweb4
Jeremy Scahill: Despite Antiwar Rhetoric, Clinton-Obama Plans Would Keep US Mercenaries, Troops in Iraq for Years to Come

Jeremy Scahill reports Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will not “rule out” using private military companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. Obama also has no plans to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009. Despite their antiwar rhetoric, both Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton have adopted the congressional Democratic position that would leave open the option of keeping tens of thousands of US troops in Iraq for many years.


Jeremy Scahill, Democracy Now! correspondent Jeremy Scahill joins us now in our firehouse studio. Author of the bestselling book Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army. His latest article is “Obama’s Mercenary Position.” It appears in the upcoming issue of The Nation magazine.


JUAN GONZALEZ: “A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not ‘rule out’ using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq.” That’s the lead sentence from a new article by independent journalist Jeremy Scahill. The adviser to Obama also said that the Illinois Senator does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new president will be sworn in.

AMY GOODMAN: Democracy Now! correspondent Jeremy Scahill joins us now in the firehouse studio, is author of the bestselling book Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army. His latest article in The Nation is called “Obama’s Mercenary Position.” It appears in this issue of The Nation.

Welcome to Democracy Now! So, what did you find out, Jeremy?

JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, I started looking at Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton’s Iraq plans, and one of the things that I discovered is that both of them intend to keep the Green Zone intact. Both of them intend to keep the current US embassy project, which is slated to be the largest embassy in the history of the world. I mean, I think it’s 500 CIA operatives alone, a thousand personnel. And they’re also going to keep open the Baghdad airport indefinitely. And what that means is that even though the rhetoric of withdrawal is everywhere in the Democratic campaign, we’re talking about a pretty substantial level of US forces and personnel remaining in Iraq indefinitely.

In the case of Barack Obama, I wanted to focus in on what his position is on private military contractors, particularly armed ones like those that work for Blackwater. And the reason I focus on Obama instead of Hillary on this is because Barack Obama has actually been at the forefront of addressing the mercenary issue in the Congress. In February of 2007—this was way before the Nisour Square massacre, where Blackwater forces killed seventeen Iraqis and wounded twenty others—in February of 2007, Barack Obama sponsored legislation in the Senate that sought to expand US law so that—

JUAN GONZALEZ: This is just after he got into the Senate, right?

JEREMY SCAHILL: This was in 2007. This was a year ago. And so, this was a major piece of legislation by Obama, and it was done in concert with Representative David Price from North Carolina in the House, a Democrat. And Obama’s legislation basically said we realize that there are loopholes in the law that allow Blackwater and other contractors to essentially get away with murder, and so what we need to do is make it so that US law applies to not only Defense Department contractors, but State Department contractors like Blackwater. If they murder someone in Iraq, we can prosecute them back in the United States.

. . . . . .
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/28/jeremy_scahill_despite_anti_war_rhetoric


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:08 PM
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47. The "change we can believe in" may well end up being "chump change."
:shrug:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:24 PM
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3. Prevailing circumstances?
I can think of many reasons why a person would change their mind on a decision previously made. Especially if they're prone to being wishy washy, but that's not Edwards (that I know of).

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:24 PM
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4. Things change. It's time to rally around the Presumptive Nominee.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:25 PM
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5. Maybe he got tired of the "white working class vote" bullshit.
Lord knows Hillary's message on racial divisions in America was sending a horrible message all across our nation!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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10. It is the antithesis of everything JE represents and fights for. Exactly.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM
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15. That's what I'm thinking.... nt
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:25 PM
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6. considering how badly Clinton has mangled herself and continues to try and drag Obama down I bet
edwards had had enough.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:25 PM
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He understands that the race is over. He is endorsing the presumptive nominee.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 PM
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22. It's shocking that people do not understand this is the reason. Fuck guys and gals, it's over.
Time to come together now. He's not dissing Hillary.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:33 PM
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51. he understands that the "presumptive nominee"
losing a primary by 40 points makes that nominee look weak.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:25 PM
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7. Maybe his 7% showing in WV? Or Hillary's new "Whites only" strategy.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 PM
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19. That's what I've been saying -- he wants his supporters to know they have to choose
They can't just vote for him to "send a message" -- they need to
accept that these are their choices and that HIS choice is that
they vote for Obama.

GREAT NEWS!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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8. Maybe John was just waiting for Hillary's final hurrah in WV--he let her have
her day, and now it's time to end the race.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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9. Maybe he got fed up with the unrelenting tide of bs coming from Camp Hillary.
Just a guess.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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11. Maybe he wants the race to end, and he feels this is how he can help it along.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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12. Didn't Hillary change her position on Fl & Mi...well there you go
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM
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13. I think they were talking about endorsing people for the NC primary.
I could be wrong.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:27 PM
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14. Now you don't have the right to change your mind? Come on Hillary supporters
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM
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16. People can change their minds.
;)

I think Edwards, like many others, wants to get this show on the road to Nov.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM
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17. Maybe to take the wind out of WV sails
All I can say is Thank You John!!!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 PM
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18. He's realized we need to stand with Barack Obama.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 PM
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20. Maybe he figured out
which side of the bread the butter was on.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:29 PM
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21. he was holding out for jet skis
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:30 PM
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23. Our campaign has been in close contact with John Edwards for months
He has always maintained when he sees the right timeto endorse , he'll do so.

The other stories are basically spin on his previous comments.

Guess what? It's the right time.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:30 PM
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24. He said he wouldn't endorse anyone during the race
The race is over. Now he's standing with the nominee. :)
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM
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27. that isn't what this said
The news in the interview is that they confirmed they will not endorse either candidate in the presidential race, because they are "saving their political capital for their own causes -- his, fighting poverty; hers, fighting for universal health care," reports, um, People mag.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:32 PM
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25. It's his endorsement to give whenever he wants to give it. n/t
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:33 PM
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26. I am sure he is considering the health of the democratic party.
As an icon of what is right about the democratic party. He could not sit by and watch as Hillary single handedly turned a chance for America to right it's wrongs into a poo slinging self depriving binge of malignant narcissism.

Of course I could be wrong and he could be doing it for the AG spot!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM
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28. He said he wasn't endorsing before NC
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM
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29. Linky no worky. :(
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:40 PM
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31. He also said he would stay in through the convention
how did that turn out?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:38 PM
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52. He should have.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:42 PM
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33. The quote doesn't say they won't endorse. That's in the reporter's voice.
The quote says they're "saving their political capital for their own causes." And that doesn't rule anything out.

NGU.


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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:42 PM
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34. Says one thing and does anohter. He's a politician.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:50 PM
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37. I'm just wondering how loud the screaming would be here had he endorsed Sen. Clinton.
it will be interesting to see what he was promised.
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cici4691 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:52 PM
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38. The price was right...
now we just have to wait and see what the highest bidder paid.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:52 PM
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39. He's not allowed to change his mind??? Damn.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:54 PM
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40. He got his jetski?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:08 PM
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45. What is a "jetski."
Edited on Wed May-14-08 05:09 PM by Window
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:03 PM
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42. It means he was waiting to see which side would work out best for him..
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:07 PM
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43. He probably got fed up with Hillary's
continual devisive destruction of the Democratic Party.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:08 PM
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46. he had an epiphany....it happens
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:09 PM
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48. You can watch it now!
Edwards to endorse Sen. Obama
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama receives John Edwards' endorsement in Grand Rapids, MI

Watch it here----->http://edition.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream3
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:31 PM
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50. he got promised something?
it's the new kind of politics Obama will be bringing to DC...
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