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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:37 AM
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Pundit "analysis"
I listened to Chuck Todd on NBC and CNBC this morning and he made some interesting points. To suggest, however, that HRC didn't bring some of her own defection endorsements on herself is ludicrous. In the cases of Kerry (whom Todd didn't mention), Richardson, and Edwards, their endorsements were proceded by her own negative and cynical attacks on Obama, largely playing the race card.

She has noone to blame but herself by trying to parlay Wright into an issue or that certain white voters were not enlightened enough to figure out that they can vote for Obama.

I just don't feel sorry for her anymore. I don't blame her for staying in the race, but it's seeming more and more like a futile exercise everyday, and it's largely due to her own miscalculations and the blind arrogance of power. Even when she apologizes now, it's hollow and a further calculation, I would suggest.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:46 AM
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1. Wrong. Kerry endorsed on January 10th - -
But thanks for showing off yet another Obama follower's made up story attempting to bash the Clintons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/politics/11obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bubba-obama-is.html

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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:57 AM
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3. you obviously don't realize the date had nothing to do with it....
but thanks anyway
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:04 AM
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4. Well then, you must have misunderstood ..
your very own pomp 'their endorsements were proceded by her own negative and cynical attacks on Obama, largely playing the race card.'

I surely didn't. Even the bogus attacks on President Clinton had not proceeded Kerry's endorsement.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:53 AM
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7. I dont understand your point, and I honestly thought last week that
I was done "calling" on her antics. Clinton shows no signs of repentance, though; she's merely taking her phony inflammatory oratory to the next level. I never wanted to be "against" Hillary Clinton. I just can't stand her dishonesty and acting in every way like we say in this party we are not going to do. Whether she stays in the race or not, she is being judged and punished by her own acts.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:15 AM
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9. She is being judged and punished on twisted words
by the very exact ones that attempt to excuse away Rev. Wrights words as being twisted.

I doubt you would see the irony in this.

Of course you do not even understand your own words.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:48 AM
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2. The longer she stays in, the less leverage she has to make Obama help her with her debt.
I say let her stay in and flame out. She should suck it up and pay that $20 million out of her pocket so she can feel and suffer the consequences of her actions.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:32 AM
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6. I sincerely doubt Hillary would accept Obama's PACs and lobbyists money

It surely would contrast with the theme Obama pretends while bashing PACs and lobbyists, with the dichotomy of the millions he brings in from them, wouldn't it?



http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/



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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:04 AM
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8. Pacs and lobbyists don't cut it any more. Ask Hillary how well that funds a Presidential race.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:17 AM
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5. Respectfully
I disagree. Politicians are not known for their great courage under fire. Iam more likely to see them in CYA positions. Kennedy might be one who didn't like the nastiness. all the other Supers are cowardly waiting to see who will be the guarranteed victor; then they will back him/her. If they truly didn't like the tone they would have stood up already and risked political capital.
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