If you're going to talk about "White Women", remember that "White Women" were Abolitionists

and supporters of Civil Rights, even when their men weren't. White women have been the staunch ally of the AFrican American Civil Rights movement. We have been the numbers needed to support politicians with civil rights agendas. And we make up over half of the Democratic Party. Our votes put the first Clinton in. (

We were there as the moral voice--convincing white men that slavery was wrong, Jim Crow was wrong, brutality and lynchings were wrong.

Obama supporters: don't forget your history, that is, if No Child Left Behind left enough time for you to learn any.

History is a bit more complicated than you are trying to make out to be.

What is your problem?

for drowning their children. People can go back and forth with this shit all day long. The fucking point is, are you ready for this! I don't want to blow your mind now? To stop painting all woman with a broad brush. The OP said White women not SOME white women in which someone responded with an example of painting women with a broad brush in which you (thought you were so "intellegently responding to") made the person's point you were responding to with your stupid, broad, brush comment, but of course you didn't realize it, now did you? More stupid shit, different day I see.

Maybe if you stick around DU awhile, you will learn to read me and others better. :eyes:

On my worst day, honey, I see WAY, WAY more than you ever will on your BEST.
Maybe get that huge chip off your shoulder, and learn something about the world. Oh, and keep your putdowns to yourself or save them for those close to you.....they obviously don't mind that you can't express yourself without acting like a petulant little child with anger control problems.
Don't project onto me, kiddo. Stop embarrassing yourself.

It's fairly ludicrous to assert that all white women have behaved in a certain way; certainly not all of them have held the beliefs asserted in the the OP. As the first responder said, and correctly: history is more complicated than that. The OP is basically pointless.

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As if all white women were altruistic saints who opposed slavery and oppression. Not the case. Sorry if the truth hurts but it is the truth.

in a racial problem. Don't you guys get tired of feeling sorry for yourselves. Can't you stand up and move on without blaming everyone for your problems. Maybe some of the problems you have could really be yourselves. Try to take control of your own lives without laying the blame on everyone else.

Hillary and her supporters should stop blaming everyone else for their shitty campaign.

Some white women were wealthy landowners too, so ditto for us. :sarcasm:

As a white man, I have been told by activists that I am responsible for Imperialism, slavery, and the whole myriad of crimes committed by people who happened to share my race. However, that is as absurd as me blasting a random 22-year old Japanese man for his nation's imperialistic and genocidal past. This kind of exercise is garbage.

I think that Prohibition was a mistake, but the temperance movement was not just about drinking. Domestic abuse drove that agenda.

That instead of voting for the 'black man', we should all support the 'white woman' - because it was the efforts of white women that allowed a black man to be a candidate in the first place?

:hi: :thumbsup:

Gads. :puke:

I just thought I'd remind you all that white women were not your enemy, but you're acting as if they are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5992053&mesg_id=5992053

If it is, I think you missed the whole point of it.

:rofl:

Unfortunately, our contribution has been forgotten.

Mayb you should write to them.

:thumbsup:

But then so many Obama fans don't use their logical faculties.

Nice smear there, asshole. Oh but your OP was in response to a thread bashing an entire group of people right?

the op was probably responding to the race-baiting by O fans who have conveniently, and dishonestly, lumped all white supporters of HRC, including women, into one large group of racists. That's what Obama fans do. The race card, and hatred of anything Clinton, is the wind beneath the wings of Obama support, and I believe one cannot exist without the other. The eloquent, but obviously shallow among DU members have had more than sixteen years to figure out the Clintons were "racists", and many years to figure out that her supporters here at DU were cut from the same cloth. That they have only come to this "realization" with the onset of the primaries proves one of two things. They're either not as smart as they would have some believe, or they are dishonest. One thing is sure. It's transparent. Thanks.
quickesst

"I think some people are in love with the idea of Obama, rather than the ideas of Obama".

anon American citizen

I'm sure the irony of that utterly escapes you.

Oh, and some people- quite a few, are in love with the idea of Hillary rather than the ideas of Hillary. It's hardly a claim that's specific only to Obama supporters. I suggest you visit HillaryForum or Hillaryis44 for conclusive proof of that. Nor are some Hillary supporters immune from being racists. Check out noquarter for undeniable evidence of that.

Kinda ironic since that's what you were accusing us of doing, isn't it?

That's the message, which apparently is okay with some. :eyes:

Frankly I don't know how to stop it.

and invented the telephone, telegraph, radio, tv, etc.

I think we know that ALL HUMANS and ALL VOTERS are important.

but thanks for the one dimensional "white-woman-deifying" history lesson.

more....

African American Inventors

Dr. Charles Richard Drew (1904-1950). Dr. Drew was an American medical doctor and surgeon who started the idea of a blood bank and a system for the long term preservation of blood plasma (he found that plasma kept longer than whole blood). His ideas revolutionized the medical profession and saved many, many lives. Dr. Drew set up and operated the blood plasma bank at the Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, NY. Drew's project was the model for the Red Cross' system of blood banks, of which he became the first director.

Thomas L. Jennings (1791-1859) A tailor in New York City, Jennings is credited with being the first African American to hold a U.S. patent. The patent, which was issued in 1821, was for a dry-cleaning process.

Norbert Rillieux (1806-1894) Born the son of a French planter and a slave in New Orleans, Rillieux was educated in France. Returning to the U.S., he developed an evaporator for refining sugar, which he patented in 1846. Rillieux's evaporation technique is still used in the sugar industry and in the manufacture of soap and other products.

Benjamin Bradley (1830?-?) A slave, Bradley was employed at a printing office and later at the Annapolis Naval Academy, where he helped set up scientific experiments. In the 1840s he developed a steam engine for a war ship. Unable to patent his work, he sold it and with the proceeds purchased his freedom.

Granville T. Woods (1856-1910) Woods was born in Columbus, Ohio, and later settled in Cincinnati. Largely self-educated, he was awarded more than 60 patents. One of his most important inventions was a telegraph that allowed moving trains to communicate with other trains and train stations, thus improving railway efficiency and safety.

Madame C.J. Walker (1867-1919) Widowed at 20, Louisiana-born Sarah Breedlove Walker supported herself and her daughter as a washerwoman. In the early 1900s she developed a hair care system and other beauty products. Her business, headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana, amassed a fortune, and she became a generous patron of many black charities.

Garrett Augustus Morgan (1877-1963) Born in Kentucky, Morgan invented a gas mask (patented 1914) that was used to protect soldiers from chlorine fumes during World War I. Morgan also received a patent (1923) for a traffic signal that featured automated STOP and GO signs. Morgan's invention was later replaced by traffic lights.

Frederick McKinley Jones (1892-1961) Jones was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. An experienced mechanic, he invented a self-starting gas engine and a series of devices for movie projectors. More importantly, he invented the first automatic refrigeration system for long-haul trucks (1935). Jones was awarded more than 40 patents in the field of refrigeration.

David Crosthwait, Jr. (1898-1976) Born in Nashville, Tennessee, Crosthwait earned a B.S. (1913) and M.S. (1920) from Purdue University. An expert on heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, he designed the heating system for Radio City Music Hall in New York. During his lifetime he received some 40 U.S. patents relating to HVAC systems.

Patricia Bath (1942-) Born in Harlem, New York, Bath holds a bachelor's degree from Hunter College and an M.D. from Howard University. She is a co-founder of the American Institute for the Prevention of Blindness. Bath is best known for her invention of the Laserphaco Probe for the treatment of cataracts.

The street letter drop mailbox with a hinged door that closed to protect the mail was invented by Philip B. Downing. Downing, an African-American inventor, patented his new device on October 27, 1891 (US Patent # 462,096).


Mark Dean (1957-) Dean was born in Jefferson City, Tennessee, and holds a bachelor's degree from the University of Tennessee, a master's degree from Florida Atlantic University, and a Ph.D. from Stanford University. He led the team of IBM scientists that developed the ISA bus—a device that enabled computer components to communicate with each other rapidly, which made personal computers fast and efficient for the first time. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1997.

More..... http://www.enchantedlearning.com/inventors/black.shtml , http://www.uky.edu/StudentOrgs/AWARE/archives/invent.html

I asked him, "How many women were in your 1957 Northeastern University graduating class in electrical engineering?"

He said, "Not many. I guess women don't have the desire to pursue the field." He could not name one woman with a BSEE.

I retorted, "Are women even encouraged to pursue engineering at the school? What kind of outreach do they do for girls in high school?"

He didn't have any answers to that one. (That was 1972.)

Or else maybe you read the OP and think ALL white women were abolitionists or fought for civil rights.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball

Interesting. Thank God I'm Black but wasn't a slave! :crazy:

... I've put out fires and rescued kittens. :crazy:

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Patronizing ain't just for the patriarchy anymore!

White women also campaigned for the right to vote on the basis that it was unfair that unfit (non-white) men were able to vote while they, bastions of morality and civic virtue, weren't. This white woman Obama (former DK, former Edwards) supporter doesn't only remember the convenient history.

Still love DK, but I know when I've been out-organized.

That's got to cancel out at least 1,000 positive things.

And yes, of course I'm kidding. :)

... after all, we fought a war to free them"

+1 Creativity points!

Gawd my white brothers and sisters make me so proud!

:rofl:

:sarcasm:

'Obama supporters, don't forget your history - unless you're too stupid to remember it.'

She's a winner, the OP is!

:crazy:

cause of getting sufferage for all Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0

If you watch it, be sure to tell me how it ends. I couldn't get past the 2-minute mark myself; I only know that the first part of the Trinity of Hell is Oprah Winfrey, who 'owes everything she is to white, middle-class women.'

In the event you are wondering, I found the link at Hillaryis44--it came highly recommended, not just by those wonderful people, but by Hannity as well. :shrug:

And there it is y'all.

"Obama kids".

Yes, please, educate us.

:eyes:

Take your idiotic generalizations and stuff 'em. I also helped put the first Clinton Administration in power. Once upon a time, I had a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. Before the IWR. Before her utter unwilligness to admit that voting for the IWR was a mistake. Before her performance in the current campaign.

I still have some left, but it's going down the drain fast.

try again, Hill fan

or maybe bake a nice pie as gratitude

To be quite honest, I think many of them honestly do not care.

It was the women that sort of led into the civil rights stuff. Face it when one group of people have all the power they sure do not want any other group pushing in. It is sort of a thing that has always gone on. With out change we would still be serfs. And the fat cats would be happy with it I am sure. Every one needs a nice serf.

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abolisionists, just as many were not. You see.

before women. Stanton, supported by Susan B Anthony, actually argued that women had the longer history of oppression and deserved to get the right to vote first. Needless to say abolishonists, like Lucetia Mott and Fredrick Douglass didn't agree. The conflict over that broke what had been a solid coalition of historic women and abolishonists into sides pitted against each other.

Now what happened 150-years ago in Seneca Falls, New York, is certainly not current, that's the nature of history. And I am not arguing that there remains, dictated by history, a rift in the relationship between African American's Civil Rights struggle and the Women's Rights struggle because there isn't.

I'm just pointing out that all that time ago when one of the groups was on the threshold of getting the right to vote there was hard feelings about who got to go first. Today as one group seems on the threshold of breaking through the last barriers to the Presidency it seems that the issue of who gets to go first is also causing hard feelings. People are still people.

what exactly is your point?

They women had no problem with lynchings and whatever else hideous act was perpetrated against negroes. That's why generalization is...er...stupid.

who loves Obama...your right my mother is on the right side of history. So is her sister.

The GOP wants us divided. Women, blacks, Men, Whites, GBLT, Young, Old, etc etc.

If we support our candidates, without allowing ourselves ( ON BOTH SIDES) to be divided by this BS then perhaps we have a shot in Nov.

If we continue the infighting we are doomed. Both fucking sides have done it.

Just STOP IT. No matter how right you are sure you are. JUST STOP.

Stop slamming whites, blacks, men, women and all the combinations of each.

Stop allow yourselves to be led by the media.

Have we learned nothing in 8 years?

:rofl:

We thank your ancestors for their service. Just like I thank John McCain for his service in Vietnam. However, just because he was tortured doesn't mean the he should become President. Likewise, just because white women have done wonderful things in the past and present doesn't mean that Hillary has 'earned' the V.P. position.

If you folks really think Obama can win the general election without women, just keep kicking us. Test the theory.

Most white women are going to vote for Obama in the general election.

If you and and a few others want to sit it out or vote for anti-abortion and anti-equal pay McCain, GO AHEAD! Throw your rights out the window.

You act like you're the only ones who had a candidate lose the nomination before. I supported Clark in 2004. I got over it and gladly supported Kerry in the general election.


GROW UP!!

Unfortunately, the vindictive rants toward those who don't support Obama are not limited to DU, or even to the Internet.

I'm sorry it I can't "get over it" fast enough to fall in line (again) and vote for my second or third or fourth choice. But I'm a 50 year old feminist woman, and I've been sick of this shit for 30 years. Maybe when Obama's public supporters here, and on tv and in the newspaper, decide to actually mention women's issues, instead of acting like they are some unpleasant and irritating question that occasionally comes up from some reporter with some feminist magazine, maybe I'll have an easier time getting "over it".

Maybe when Obama figures out that "reaching out to women" doesn't mean calling them "sweetie" or coyly displaying his "package" to women reporters on the plane, I'll come around.

The pervasive attitude, here and in the MSM is that women can be threatened, insulted, and bullied into voting for Obama. It is EXACTLY what many women experience in their lives, and it resonates with a terrible familiarity.

When the shit stops, maybe I'll consider voting for Obama. But every time someone threatens me with the coat hanger, you make it more unlikely.

I don't expect you to understand this, but I don't care about your insults or your threats. No one told me this was going to happen, but now that it has, I'm frankly pretty joyful about it -- I don't care how people think I should vote, or look, or eat, or think or feel or be. You don't think that's "grown up"? Sorry, that's just the way it is. I couldn't care less about being "grown up". I don't need your approval.

:rofl: :rofl:

Talk about reaching.

or coyly displaying his "package" to women reporters on the plane

What in the name of all that is good and Holy are you talking about??? What in God's name are you talking about??

Aren't you sick of this mess yet? Aren't you tired?? I sure as Hell am. As a black woman, I'm sick and tired of white women acting as if Hillary represents all women and that all of us have to fall in line behind her. I have always liked Hillary and I always will, but she has not and cannot win this.

Your earlier assertion that "Obama cannot win without women" has no basis in fact because there are VAST numbers of women of ALL races, creeds and colors voting for him and supporting him. I saw this OP yesterday and it was all I could do not to throw up when I read it. But you have taken this to a level it did not need to go. You should be EMBARRASSED by your comment, and the sad, heartbreaking thing about it is, I'm willing to bet the farm that you aren't. But that's okay, I'm embarrassed enough FOR you for the both of us.

they think they can level at certain demographics. I think the real unexpected thing that REALLY bothers them is that the people they target are free-thinkers and won't put up with their hostility.

:eyes:

Nice of Miss Hilly to do all that "spade work" because she just loves us peoples of color ... both the black and brown "little ones" especially. Yes Um, she wants her Bubba to run America's Plantation just like he did in the 1990s. Covering up the fact that he was sued by the NAACP in 1989 for intimidating Black folk at the polls. Oh, No Sir, I don't believe it ... the media would NEVER cover and lie for anyone. :sarcasm:

150 years later ... ? The Clintons Play "The Race Card" and her supporters scream "sexism" because she's losing and they still won't hand the Democratic Nomination to this noble White Woman ... Yeah, we've come a long way?!? :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

Thank you.

OBAMA?

You speak as if every woman is for Hillary.

:rofl:

That's the problem. It's a big nasty circle. One group gets hits and lashes out and hits the other, and that one feels they have to hit back in defense, then the other one feels they have to hit back in defense, and so on and so on. Just a big circular firing squad.

Don't forget your history, don't forget reproductive freedom. Try to understand that Hillary lost because she ran a flawed campaign.

oh, right. :eyes: What has Obama, like, won?

That's what I was referring to.

Apologies for any confusion.

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Frederick Douglass was a white woman? (<--- sarcasm)

However this entire statement paints the entire abolition movement with a very broad stroke and it is very presumptuous.

It is also wrong. Go back and do the history. Much of the anti Slavery society meetings allowed woman to talk only in white private homes becuase it was segregated. The Garrisonian abolitionists did NOT approve of woman. The World anti slavery Convention in London denied Women denied women delegate seats. The AMerican anti slavery society SPLIT over the "woman Question" .


And you want another truth? Black Woman WANTED to be a part of it, but they were simply not allowed.

Please don't paint such a broad stroke of the Woman's rights movement, it was wonderful-- but like all great movements in history it was flawed due to society at the time.

Shinin' the Lite on White Privilege

http://www.prisonactivist.org/cws/sharon.html

Non-ruling class white people are both oppressed and privileged. They are oppressed most significantly on the basis of class, gender and sexuality, and also on the basis of religion, culture, ethnicity, age, physical abilities and politics. At the same time, they are privileged in relation to peoples of color.

/snip

In 1920, white women got the vote after 100 years of struggle. But they got it by promising Southern segregationists that they would use the vote to support white supremacy. Today, a divided women's movement still lacks the power to enact mandatory maternity leave for all working parents, despite the fact that women are more than 50% of all voters.

/snip

Although this analysis of white privilege may seem a bit complex, spotting manifestations of white privilege is relatively easy. Just look for an instance of racial oppression, and ask yourself "Who benefits from this oppression?" You'll probably see that a few white guys at the top get the lion's share -- because they have the power -- and a whole lot of white men and women in the middle get a little piece of the action.

/snip

I inherited this legacy. I am a white middle class woman, with enough educational and material resources to put on a free anti-racist training workshop. I am in this position because I am the beneficiary of the system of white privilege embedded in internal colonialism backed up by violence. I can run from it, but I can't hide. It's my history, a tiny part of the history of affirmative action for white people.

And oh, I'm a middle aged white woman and feminist.

Black people (especially black women) need to bow down and kiss the feet of white women because of the suffrage movement. You know what I really see in this post is this: Obama should of waited his turn because if it wasn't for us white women then black people would still be picking cotton and don't you forget it. Be grateful for us white women.

Ever heard of white privilege? till this day white people benefit from white privilege, you get your facts straight. The fact that Hillary has lost is really getting to some of you I see. It will only get worse as the days go and it finally sinks in for you. As for ALL White women helping out with the civil rights movement I call that bullshit. I know my history especially my black history. Not all white women were on board with the civil rights movement. If I had to pick a group that help move the civil rights movement along I would say it was the Jewish activist group. Your comment would be like me saying well white women were on board with the lynching of black folks because my grandmother showed me a picture of white women posing behind a lynched black man smiling with their children and husbands. Your entire post is bullshit and will not do a damn thing for women in the long run. Folks like you are pushing the issue of women to the back burner because your not able to get your way.

No, as a black woman I'm not especially thankful for "you" I am thankful for MLK and one woman that these mythical white women could not and will not ever hold a candle to: Mrs Rosa Parks. I'm thankful for her as she was a strong woman that helped moved things along for me so that my black children would have the freedom they have today. I thank women such as my great grandmother who stood her ground for her children in the tobacco fields and help put her children through college. I don't owe the mythical white woman a damn thing nor do I owe the suffrage movement a damn thing. Truth be told is that after a long day of marching for women rights quite a few of them women went home to their children and their mammy which was a black slave. You can take your condescending bullshit and stick it.

:applause:

Why do people want gratitude for doing the right thing? Reminds me of a "I'm a white woman who voted for LBJ so give me thanks" post a month or so back.

:eyes:

Excellent post

:toast:

Why, I shudder at the memory of reading in my history books about all those white women that were lynched for whistling at and trying to seduce black men in the 19th and 20th centuries. :eyes:

Your OP is one more variation on the "You uppity Negroes better get on your knees and thank us White people for giving you you rights" garbage that has seemed to find a warm welcome in the Clinton campaign. Hmm...

"African-Americans" like they're two separate groups, please remember there's a HELL of a lot of overlap there.

As to your last line: most adults today were out of school long before No Child Left Behind came along, so much for that insult.

that's why the tone of the campaign now makes us want to :cry:

You should learn some history yourself. Just because SOME members of one group did something doesn't mean that all members of that group did, OR that that group retroactively gets collective credit.

For that matter, white MEN were abolitionists, too (look up William Wilberforce and William Lloyd Garrison, for starters).

I'm hereby not white... I'm pink... fuck you all for being bigots against pink people.

Shit. We get dumberer and dumberer as the days go on.

Many African American abolitionists were also strong supporters of the woman's right movement, but that does not mean Black men liberated women.

You can't make such broad generalizations in an issue this complex. It would take a really long post to even begin to explain to you how misguided your generalization is.

Elspeth go drink some sweet tea or a highball on your porch or something.

I'm sick of both HRC and Obama supporters claiming either candidate for their specific tribe. It's revolting. All of you just stfu.

I know at least one candidate who would be disgusted with all of you tribalists on here. We're Americans DAMMIT STFU! The world has bigger problems than just your group! We're all going to die if you can't start acting like citizens of the world.

Oh I show duz a-pree-she-ate dat missy elspeth.