Obama's sniper tale?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/obamaclap.html

Is this another Bosnian sniper incident, where a Democratic candidate for president describes a scene involving some personal courage, but later videotape shows that maybe perhaps it wasn't really quite all like that exactly?

Sen. Barack Obama, the leading Democratic candidate for his party's nomination, is very fond of telling receptive audiences the story about how last May he walked right into the automotive lion's den of Detroit and told those industrialists they were going to have to shape up, change the way they do things and start making more fuel-efficient vehicles to protect our environment.

"And I have to say," the straight-talking Obama tells his chuckling followers, "that when I delivered that speech, the room got really quiet. Nobody clapped."

Well, in honor of Obama's return campaign visit back to Michigan this week, someone -- perhaps Republicans, perhaps someone closer to home politically -- assembled videotape of Obama's oft-told tale and spliced it side by side with videotape of that actual Detroit speech.

When in South Dakota, Iowa, etc. he wins big political points by attacking Michigan and Detroit. His belated "make up" tour is too little, too late.

After seeing the minimal effort Barack Obama has put forward in Michigan (using it mostly as a backdrop for a self-serving Edwards endorsement announcement, not to address Michigan's problems,) I am predicting that McCain narrowly takes the state.

Hah, I read the comments to the article and an apt reader DEBUNKED
THE ENTIRE BULLSHIT SPOUTED IN THE OP:

Erm... I'm sorry, but that video is misleading.

The clips from the speech in that video are from the END of the speech. Of course he gets some applause then.

But it's not like he's hiding anything - a video of the whole speech was uploaded by his campaign. Watch it -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j1nno1El3-g - and what do you know, the room IS quiet. You can hear people cough.

True, there are a couple of points where he gets some mild applause. It would be incredible if there was no applause at all anywhere in the speech, particularly when he's talking about preserving jobs in the auto industry, but at many key points, like right after that when he talks about fuel efficiency standards - complete silence.

Simply put, his comment that the room got really quiet is true. It did.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/obamaclap.html#comment-114874122

here is prooooof!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x132470

THIS IS HUGH! SERIES!!!!1! ItZ THE END OF THE ROAD FOR BARACK!

i mean, how DARE he josh around like that, denying he got an audible applause after suggesting to DETROIT that we make fuel efficient vehicles! i mean, what an insult to real auto-making veterans, right? sheeeesh...:eyes: i mean, he even got a standing ovation at the end of that speech. barack obam you are a liar and ai will not vote for you in november!1!!

...yeah, when Barry lies, it's not a lie, because a saint can't lie. Really, honestly, he's not just another politician. Honest.

Hillaryisnotgoingtobe44.org so stop the bs please.

so your article claims that rather than his comments being greated with silence,
that they were greated with applause.

Thats pretty horrible! OMG OMGOMG hysteria!!!

I hope that like hillary, he had his protective vest on.

Keep reaching... :eyes:

when he told them that they had to re-invest the cost savings on health care into making more fuel efficient vehicles, they clapped, but not very loudly, especially when compared to the average Obama rally. So on a relative "Obama scale" reception, it could easily seem like a 0... hence, nobody really clapped.

Is that the ONLY reference he made to making fuel-efficient automobiles? The one at the END of his speech when he tied it into helping the automakers pay for health insurance? Or, was there a major point made earlier where no one clapped?

Easy to take a snippet and run with it.

But, maybe Hillary really did duck sniper fire. :sarcasm:

Seriously. Is this it? Larry Sinclair? Claims about "partial-birth" abortion? ...?

The rabbit hole runs very deep.

Sexism is useful to distract attention from the economy!

Hillary and now you.

February 2008, he told the folks in Columbus, Ohio that 'When gas goes to $4.00 a gallon...' and the room went silent. He stopped right there and said that a good President will have to tell the people things that they don't want to hear, if we are to work together to solve our great problems. There was a murmur in the crowd and he went on with his speech. Yes he received a standing ovation as well. Face it people, we sometimes we have to hear things that we don't like.

And it was quiet when he made the remarks.

Thanks for the video cofirmation.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's saying that a certain part of his speech nobody clapped. Otherwise, I could just find a 5-second window that nobody clapped during and therefore conclude that nobody clapped during his speech is completely 100% true. Face it, the only thing Hillary was dodging was the massive amounts of kisses from those little kids. :rofl:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/obamaclap.html

OMG! a politician embellishing a tale to make him/herself look courageous? The audacity!

Week after week, I watch the newspapers and tv reporters distort the truth, and the only reason I know they're lying is because I spend all my free time watching/reading undigested news content on places like cspan, and of course DU :P

My friends are always shocked when we're sitting there watching the nightly news, and I point out to them that the news is factually incorrect.

I remember that Detroit speech because I watched it in its entirety last year.
His speech was not well-received.

Anyone who actually thought this was a "gotcha" at all, much less one on par with Hillary's various incantations of Bosnia, is an idiot. They are out there rubbing their hands together with glee over this? It is hard to put my finger on it, but in life there are just people that "get it" and people that don't. Whether it is humor or pop culture or politics, some people always seem to have a sense of what is cool and what is not. Some people don't and never will.

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So we can be progressives again.

Thanks and goodbye.

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Uh no, everyone I disagree with is not an idiot. However, anyone who would run with something stupid like this as a "gotcha" is an idiot. Now if my opinion of what constitutes stupidity is "hate filled spew", all I have to say is, you indeed have a broad definition of hate. But hey, it wasn't my intention to upset your delicate sensibilities, so if you are in fact one who is howling with delight over this so called prevarication, then please accept my apology for thinking you are an idiot.

I guess hillbots really are going to go out with a whimper.....

who are screaming that SWEETIEGATE has now caused them to be FORCED to stay home in November, because voting for him? Would be like being RAPED.

Yes. They said it. Because of "sweetie."

:eyes:

these lilliputian attacks are funny

The funny thing was that when he went and lectured the automakers, what was he driving at the time? A Chrysler V-8 with a Hemi engine. He has since traded it in for a Ford Escape hybrid, but that little bit of hypocrisy didn't go unnoticed by some Michiganders.


http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2007/05/14/bush-vs-dingell-vs-obama/?mod=WSJBlog

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