What happens when Obama wins by a landslide?

I am really curious - because it's gonna happen.

Polls have been proven meaningless time and time again, even in this primary season. People making their dire predictions based on polls are equally meaningless.

I prefer to look at more objective criteria...and they suggest to me that not only is Obama going to win, but he's going to crush McCain.

The sweeping trend in mainstream political thought is that America is on the wrong path. The only people who are going to tell you that everything's a-okay are going to be hardcore Bush supporters. The economy is falling apart and the war shows no sign of ending. These things took place on the Republican watch.

We're already seeing Republican weakness at the voting booth. They're losing Congressional seats and the panic is setting in.

John McCain has been virtually untouched by the media. He's getting a free pass while Hillary and Obama duke it out - and when Obama pulls out the win, what are the Republicans going to throw at him that Hillary hasn't already thrown at him? There's *one* good thing about the slimy, old-school campaign Hillary has ran against Obama - she's pretty much drained the Republican machine of all its ammunition. There's nothing left to throw at Obama which is "new news." It's all going to be the same old bullshit.

Whereas McCain hasn't had one real attack yet. Dean and the DNC have to wait until the Democratic primary is over before they can unleash the hounds.

So, again to look at it objectively, who has more to lose in the GE cycle? Obama, who will be facing old criticisms which are unlikely to move the numbers much, or McCain, who is going to have to duck and weave pretty much the entire time, and who won't have had the benefits of months of addressing the issues thrown in his direction?

People are really failing to recognize that primaries aren't the GE. All this Hillary/Obama nonsense means absolutely nothing in the GE. All these Hillary supporters who say they won't vote for Obama are full of shit - just wait until a young, dynamic Obama is up on stage with an old, tired McCain in the GE debates.

This is the normal cycle of politics. The Republicans seized power beginning in Clinton's administration when they lost the Congress, then they lost the Presidency, and now things are swinging in the other direction.

Obama is going to win in a landslide. Then he'll not only have the mandate to enact change but a Democratic majority in both House and Senate which may very well be able to run right over Republican opposition, the same way the Republicans have been running over the Democrats for years in recent history.

The question then becomes: will the Democrats seize the opportunity to put us back on track, or will they fuck it up with the usual intra-party bickering between Moderates and Liberals so defly given form with the Hillary/Obama debacle?

We'll have to wait and see...but get used to saying "President Obama."

It's going to be a landslide victory for him. Now taking bets.

Bill and Hill will buy land in Paraguay next to their friends, the Bushes, as both families prepare to have revealed things that will send them to the World Court.

Pat Buchanan's head will explode.

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to God's ears...

I'd rather error on the side of caution and work my ass off for him anyhow.

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will say they supported him all along

what happens in the rest of the Dem tickets. Can we get enough of a majority in Congress to cause the more established Republicans to retire, opening up the possibility for further consolidation of control? Can we pick up state legislatures and governorships?

And with a solid ass-kicking, will the remaining Republicans be more open to progressive policies or will they still try to groove everything to the biggest multi-national corporations?

These are really exciting times. We have a real possibility to drive this country into the 21st century, establishing America as leaders in the technologies that will define the new century. We have a possibility to fundamentally improve the quality of life in America through real improvements in education, poverty, and health care. These things are realistically within reach this time. They all cost less than Bush's excellent adventure in Iraq, so nobody can tell us we can't afford it.

I think Obama will win in a blowout this November. I don't know if it will be a 50 state win (or 57 states), but it will be huge. I have been looking at voter turnout in the primaries and I can't think of one that didn't show the Dems with a huge turnout compared with the Republicans. Even in WV last week, Obama had more votes coming in second than McCain did winning his side. So here are my few predictions.

The GOP will be (and is now) trying to find it's way (Note Peggy Noonan's Op Ed in the Wall Street Journal)

The RW media types will continue their BS

Things will start to shift slowly back to a more reasonable world for us worker bees.

and we will be faced with a Democratic version of Ronald Reagan who has party control of the compelte Congress.

This is important because Obama will sell his agenda directly to the American people (just like Reagan did with his agenda). Those in Congress who might have thought they could ignore Obama's agenda will be faced with an electorate who will demand they enact Obama's agenda, just like Democrats in Congress faced the same thing during the Reagan years.

Obama is an intelligent student of history. He's even expressed this months ago, but people went apoplectic at the mere mention of Reagan's name instead of paying attention to the substance of Obama's remarks.

Reagan, is when I got excited and knew exactly how he was going to win this thing. Hell, he told us right there and then. And yes, most folks never watched that interview, and that is why many still have no cluel. Obama will be a force; our force. :)

He wasn't praising Reagan's policies, for christ's sake, how could anyone get that from what he said?

He was talking about Reagan's power to influence and persuade people.Whether we like it or not (and I was a kid when Reagan was first elected but old enough to take note of my parents cussin'), Reagan was as successful as he was because he struck a nerve, because he was charismatic, because he was good at getting people to adopt his point of view and letting them think it was THEIR idea.

we can be all morally-pure about not using that kind of power, but frankly I'm too damn sick and tired of kids dying in Iraq and kids dying right here with no health care. If Obama's charisma mojo helps even one minimum-wage worker eat a little bit better the next few years, if it brings one soldier home instead of his or her seventy-gajillionth tour or whatever they're on now, if it helps get one family housing that's fit for humans after a natural disaster, I'll consider it a vote well cast.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but I just see it very unlikely that this election is going to be a blowout for Obama. Right now, I'd be willing to put down a little bit of money on Obama prevailing in a close Gore-Bush/Bush-Kerry-type final outcome, but that's about as far as I'd go...

The problem? The American people *are* certainly dissatisfied with the Repugs and the direction that this country is going. And Shrub is more unpopular than ever. I *would* be willing to be that we're going to pick up a decent number of seats in both houses of Congress, even alongside a McCain victory. But the catch here is that McCain is going to try and likely succeed, with the help of the worthless media, to portray himself as a truly "different" kind of Republican, largely disconnected from the DC establishment. And Bush 2000 proved that the media and the public are willing to buy into such bullshit. Remember, people were generally satisfied with the state of the country in 2000, but were stupid enough to buy into that joker selling himself as a "compassionate conservative" to make it close enough for him to steal. McCain actually has a couple of issues he can point to his record as being "moderate" on, and the media has their heads further up his ass than they even had them up Bush's in 2000. People with low levels of political knowledge *love* to be able to claim that they were voting for "the person and not the party", so there is a high likelihood that they will buy into McCain's shtick if the Democrats let him get away with it- and our past failures of campaigns give me every indication that they will.

I think Obama is a strong candidate, especially for these times, and he has thus far generally done a good job of getting on top of problems that have come up for him. But I think, for a variety of reasons, we are going to have to fight as hard as we can for every vote and, even with the current state of public opinion on our side, this is more likely to be a very close election than a landslide.

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Now he's a 'Lavender-Liberal'. :shrug:

Way'at, from N'walins! :hi:

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Obama supporters, using the same tactics as Bush in 2000, expect the same type of outcome. Bush relied on patriotism, and religion for his "win". Obama and supporters are relying on guilt, and the delusion that republican voters will suddenly shed their own special brand of racism, and embrace the most liberal senator in Washington. What's funny is, they continue to shit on Clinton, and app. half the Democratic voters, then feign outrage when those voters don't fall in line behind the new messiah. Exactly how delusional are they? Clinton gets a majority of app. 60% of white votes, and it's due to racism. Obama gets app. 90% of the black vote, and to even mention it, unless you're the msm, is racist. Truly delusional are O fans who would have one believe all those black voters cast their lot with Obama for any reasons other than because he's black. That's some crazy shit. Only in Obamaland can facts be construed as racist, just as wanting to bring the troops home was "unpatriotic". Too bad all the mirrors have been broken. Thanks.
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Utah, etc. put Obama over the top.

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"Truly delusional are H fans who would have one believe all those women voters cast their lot with Clinton for any reasons other than because she's female. That's some crazy shit."

But even then, talking like Yoda with the adjective or verb at the front of the sentence doesn't usually get the point across best, think that I do.

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Read the comments left on this site. There isn't one comment that I saw on there saying he or the Republican Party has any support.

They are willing to let them all lose and start over.

This is not a game of Survivor, Big Brother, Dancing with the Stars, or American Idol.

This is about choosing someone to run this country correctly, fairly, and efficiently. This is about choosing someone with (hopefully) proven ability to straighten out and set right everything that Bush did for the last 8 years. If Obama does get the nomination and wins there are going to be expectations. So far I see no reason to believe those expectations will be met.

many other Democrats will ride to victory on his coattails around the country.

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Hillary supporters will - strangely - grumble incoherently that a Democrat has won the Presidency, and a fairly liberal one at that.

It's a most bizarre spectacle, their antics on these boards.

The votes have to be counted fairly

As it was in 2004 when I said Kerry would lose if he was the candidate.

be somewhere around 2-4%. Probably a toss up at this point depending whose campaign is the best at throwing shit in the fall and getting it to stick. Iwouldn't be surprised to see McCain win nor would I be surprised to see Obama win. Should be interesting.

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The Supreme Court is our most important objective. The Supreme Court is the final arbitrator of Government policy and by intent of our founding fathers, should be Liberal.

I fail to see how the conservatives and the Republicans have hijacked the idea the Freedom, getting government out of our lives, and empowerment belongs to them. Freedom has been a basic LIBERAL idea throughout history, and I just hate it the way the conservatives have been able to frame the issues like the people who wrote our constitution were not liberals.

Anyway, the Supreme Court should have a Liberal slant to address the human issues of the law and offset the cut and dried lawyer aspects the legislator puts into the laws.

John Paul Stevens can finally retire, and perhaps a few others, to be replaced by much younger jurists.

Liberal jurists that will take the side of the citizens, not the Government.

Economics -- unsustainable deficits in the balance of trade and in government expenditures. Downturn in consumption and real estate prices devastates local and state budgets. Credit problems are not fixed yet, and the unregulated side of finance, domestic and international, calls the shots.

Foreign affairs -- international reputation is in tatters. Unsustainable military committments abroad.

Science, technology and industry -- declining in world rank. Education in the K-12 grades is inadequate. Higher education turning out graduates in majors that have no economic value. Government research and development expenditures too oriented to military and cost-ineffective.

I could go on. There's a long list.

What he won't be able to do is borrow more money and spend it on social programs.

present disaster.

If he does win, though it won't be by a landslide, it will be close. I do hope he has more gumption than Kerry did and fights for his supporters.

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I can't even imagine how good I would feel for the country and how vindicated I would feel as a Democrat and as an Obama supporter.

One of the best things that happens is that the "electability" crowd among our brethren gets their perceptions adjusted.

Point 2, we can finally stop "triangulating" our way to failure.

Point 3, the stupid "20 state" strategy gets relegated to the dustbin of history.

Point 4, the movement spreads to local government as the party is built up in all 50 states.

Point 5, the economy recovers and we finally get to realize a "peace dividend".

Point 6, we stop charging current spending to my as of yet unborn grandkids.

The list is too long. Bottom line, it is going to happen. My line is 55-45, 8+ Senate seats, and 30+ House seats.

The first day and a half to continue to get out the vote; the second day and a half to CELEBRATE.

And realize he got clobbered.

The South will stay nearly solidly red.

the thing about 1964 debacle is that Goldwater had an integrated philosophy. It served as a foundation to build the future party on. Nixon was elected on the dissatisfaction of the war but he was a disaster for the republicans down ticket. Reagan was going around the country rebuilding the party around a clear political philosophy.

That is not going to happen this time. McCain doesn't have an integrated philosophy in fact he can have a debate with himself.

The next 8 years are likely to be very difficult for the Republicans. Can you imagine what it is like for them to recruit people to run for Congress this year. Three straight loses in Republican districts. Who would want to put their family through that?

If Obama does well and the country is behind him in 2010 and 2012 the situation becomes much worse as they find it more and more difficult to find attractive candidates to run down ticket.

The party will drift into more ideologically pure straights with the radicallized religous becoming the most organized and powerful part of the party. If same sex marriage becomes normative and the radical religious right commits itself to try and overturn it, it will further radicalize the party.

With Ron Paul's success there is a good possibility that the Republican party that is psuedo Libertarian will split off and a weakened Republican party could compete with the Libertarian party for status as the second political party. The Libertarians Republicans atleast have a integrated political philosophy that can be built on.


The fitting future of the Republican Party could mean the continual decline and division - the final full legacy of the broken and idiotic reign of the worst President and Vice President in US history.

They feel they have much to fear when he takes power. The very first thing he should do is a complete purge of the DOJ and start cleaning out the cesspool before they can scatter like cockroaches and re-convene.

He may win, but the days of landslides for either party are over. The last real landslide was 1988. Even big wins like 1992 and 1996 weren't classified as landslides. The country is far too divided for those anymore.

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