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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:23 AM
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New York TImes/MSNBC Report On The Dying Clinton Campaign

Key highlights


Hillary cuts scheduled Oregon trip short to return to Kentucky.

Reporters outnumber supporters 3-1 at rallies.

Campaign changes tone... handwriting on the wall.

Even ardent supporters don't see the point in continuing.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24674878/
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:26 AM
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1. I hope she packs it in before "taking it to the convention"
I think people will be much warmer to her if she concedes without a big to do.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:30 AM
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5. yes, people generally like it when someone else does what they order them to do.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:37 AM
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8. Certainly not ordering anything here I just don't think it will bode well for her
To be honest I think she's been great over the last couple of weeks and I would like to see her go out on a hight not is all.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:12 PM
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22. "she has been great over the last couple of weeks..."
Which pretty much proves my point-until she started acting like she is wrong for continuing on when YOU think she should not, you were unhappy that she stood in the way of your candidate.

YOU want her to stop campaigning for YOUR candidate...which is especially ironic since that is the only way YOUR candidate can be the winner currently. He does not have the magic 2,026 that he needs to win the contest without her dropping out. You and I both know this. And before you go whining about math, he simply does not have the number. Looks like he will at some point but at this time, no, he does not.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:25 PM
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35. She's been OK, not great. At least she cut out the mud-slinging BS.
She continues to be disingenuous About MI/FL, and why SD's should move to her. It will end soon.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:54 PM
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21. Ordering Hillary. I don't think so. But if it makes you feel good thinking it. Cool.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:08 PM
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:27 AM
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2. Did she cover this in her BloggoConferenceCall? Oops.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:52 AM
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10. I always find it interesting....


when a persons words don't match her actions.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:07 PM
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14. No.
She indicated that Obama was scared and was
running away.



:crazy:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:13 PM
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31. Yeah, Obama looks scared..


"Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., smiles as he is introduced at a campaign appearance in Roseburg, Ore., Saturday, May 17, 2008."

hilary's really sad but the ones who buy her shit need to get a grip fast.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:28 AM
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3. She's getting no real on air coverage at all
I'll be glad when this is over. It's kind of pathetic at this point.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:30 PM
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24. kind of like edwards got ignored into oblivion... guess the MSM has chosen their candidate.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:08 PM
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28. Right, the MSM
and all the Obama supporters who voted in the 46 states that have voted so far.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:09 PM
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29. Yeah, like how when Edwards and Obama beat Hillary, then only talked about Hillary and Obama.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:30 AM
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4. Uh oh. Her internal polling in Oregon must not be looking too good...
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:12 PM
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15. I thought The Same Thing...
And look at the Obama Camp. They turn down free TV time Oregon. They are campaigning in the Dakotas. And they are setting up for "one heck of a night" in Iowa.

Both camps must have a pretty good idea of what Oregon is going to look like Tuesday night.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:30 AM
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6. I hear they can't fill up 2 press buses.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:36 AM by dkf
They order 2, but the second has been empty.

Found it...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302862_pf.html

Quote: Exhibit A: There are two press buses waiting at the hotel here for Clinton's trip to her victory rally in West Virginia, but the entire press contingent doesn't quite fill one. It isn't until the entourage arrives at Dulles Airport that Clinton aides learn that the second bus is still idling, empty, at the hotel.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:22 PM
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16. Ouch!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:15 PM
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32. Well, why would you want to cover a
loser if you were in the press..no matter how much she told you she was gonna win?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:33 AM
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7. she's in it just to pay off her debts at this point.
imho
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:55 PM
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12. and drag as much on Gºbama
as to make him "need" her on the ticket
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:23 PM
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34. Wow, silly me..I never thought
of it that way. She's burning bridges that's for sure but to stay in to drag him down with the thought that.."you really need me now..you can't get certain voters that I've turned against you without me" is not something that entered my mind until your post catalyzed it.

Tough hilary Shit..we're gonna do it without the bitter dead ender.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:49 PM
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17. Wouldn't she be saving money by quiting?
She has to have tapped almost all of the individual donors at this point-now she's still paying her staff, the travel expenenses...I would assume that there would be more gained by having events to retire her debt than by continuing on as a candidate.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:53 PM
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18. she would cancel the big public events but keep up the fundraisers
and remain formally in the race in order to let donations continue to trickle in.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:49 PM
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25. Seems likely
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:50 AM
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9. Hopeful but still circumspect.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 11:51 AM by 4themind
Especially given the tone of the blog-conference call. She may have realized that the more she attacks, the faster the superdelegates come in for obama (just look at last friday after her "hard working americans" comment(when 9 dems came out for obama), vs. yesterday (1)). It's in her best interest to play it cool, then after May 31st, and expectant victories in Puerto Rico I think there will be a real ratcheting up, which either be a final flickering flame, or it'll be used to scorch the earth of the road all the way to the convention (risking the G.E. chances for dems in not just the WH but senate/congress as well perhaps) We'll see
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:32 PM
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11. The Clinton Campaign request's instead of Flowers send Donations to Obama for President. .. n/t
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:06 PM
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13. How dare you demand Hillary drop out just because she lost!!!!!!!!

@!!@!!!

Damn sexists are calling me racist just because I won't vote for a black man!!! And that I demand he not win even if he won!!!!


1!!!!
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:41 PM
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19. "shriveled and deflated"
Much like her campaign.


(from OP article)

On the day Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was endorsed by the governor of North Carolina, a supporter gave her a three-foot-long balloon replica of herself, complete with blond hair, black pantsuit and wide pink smile, which Mrs. Clinton promptly took on her plane and laughingly showed off to reporters.


On Thursday, little more than two weeks later, the doll lay on the sofa by her seat on the plane, shriveled and deflated.

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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:49 PM
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20. Get the fuck out Tuesday night. rec'd
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:29 PM
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23. no, it can't be... i thought the MSM were hill shills... guess not. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:03 PM
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26. What a fantasy she's perpetrated..her and the fookin' m$$$fm..
"(David Letterman recently joked that with her campaign $21 million in debt, she is at “the world’s most expensive fantasy camp.”) And the new tone is palpable."

They're saying it's always been difficult for hilary to compete against Obama? Are they sayin' Obama blowing his nose is better than hilary's lies? 'Cause that's what it looks like.

"It has always been difficult for Mrs. Clinton to compete against an opponent who once received thunderous applause for blowing his nose. But as Mr. Obama seized nearly every headline in the last several days, Mrs. Clinton appeared zapped of her usual enthusiasm."

I could feel sorry if hilary ran a straight campaign instead of the filth she went for.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:10 PM
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30. HELP! I've fallen and I can't get up...
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:31 PM
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36. She should have quit the night or day after WV.
Not only does she frame her position in this race on what she may have (big states, popular votes, MI, FL, caucuses, WV white voters)and everything else but on what really counts... the rules.

But she also is framing her campaign around her support in this race.
“When you have just the big events with the rallies and all the rah-rah and all the speeches and the lights and everything,” she said, “it doesn't mean as much to many people as to be included and actually hear the stories and the concerns that everybody has.”
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