I feel for the women who were intent on having a woman president

In all sincerity, I understand it must be tough for women who really wanted to see a woman president for a change. But if Hillary Clinton was going to be that woman, it was probably better that she didn't win. Women can do much better.

In the last 3 or so months, I have seen what I believed was a (flawed) Democrat transform into something so close to a Republican that I wondered whether or not I'd accidentally stepped into some kind of parallel universe.

No, I was never a Hillary supporter, mainly because of her Iraq vote and her DLC ties. But I never expected her to pander to racists, to run Rovian style fear mongering ads, to fake outrage over plagiarism or flyers or any other silly non issue, to insult and dismiss the Democratic base (like me and you, for example!), and finally, possibly the last straw, to use language towards another sovereign nation that can only be described as reckless, careless, and dangerous. (I am referring, of course, to "obliterate" Iran).

If this was going to be the first woman president, I'm glad it didn't happen. There are plenty of strong, principled, Democratic women out there who can and will be a much better representation for the gender.

I'm so glad that Barack Obama did not engage in the same gutter politics, and I think everyone, men and women, ought to be grateful for that. Because like it or not, he will be the first African American president, and if his actions so far are any indication of the things to come, African Americans are going to have something to be damn proud of for the next eight years.

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......however, it became real clear, real fast that Hillary wasn't that woman, unfortunately. It clinched it for me when she stood there and held up McCain above her own fellow Candidate.....

after that subject line. My mother is 81 years old, a staunch Democrat all her life, and she wont' see her dream come true. She believes Hillary Clinton would have been a good president, and I'm sorry you're "glad it didn't happen."

I am really really tired of the continued divisive dialogue that's been generated by this race for the nomination. If you are a true Obama supporter, I request that you stop trashing the loser and get on board with his policy of taking the high road.

He has admitted in past threads, mostly about healthcare, to being a citizen of Canada. Although we welcome allies from all over the world in support of fighting the Republicans and offering opinions on the primary candidates, I feel it is necessary for some forthrightness here. He is welcome to his opinions, but needs to mature a bit and perhaps express himself with less condescension and doing away with the "I know what's best for you/women/Democrats/America" attitude - which is the most frequent timbre of his posts. There's more than a whiff of arrogance and sexism to such presumptions, not to mention the superiority complex that comes from the ideologically pure.

But welcoming international DUers aside, there's that very American part of me that doesn't appreciate being told by people from elsewhere how we should run our affairs. Especially in the high-toned manner exhibited by the poster.

Janet Napolitano and Kathleen Sebillius are definent possibilities.

I don't expect her to be the candidate and I will always be sad that there are so many people who can't judge her on her entire life and record and not just selected snippets to vilify her. She is smart, savvy, she has way more foreign policy experience than any other candidate. She has good answers to the deficit, health care, veteran care, rebuilding the military, the infrastructure, jobs, the list goes on and on. But because the cult of Obama won't hear anything good out of her campaign it is a done deal. Obama is certainly better than McCain, by a huge margin, but no way is he better prepared for the presidency. That Hillary just happens to be a woman is icing on the cake for this voter.

I'm not voting gender, I'm voting for whom I think is the best candidate.

Her health insurance plan supports the insurance industry, not the people. She doesn't know crap about the military, and never did. She hired an anti-union repubican to run her campaign - so much for jobs. Several candidates had far greater experience in foreign policy - specifically Bidan and Richardson - and Richardson backs Obama. She's bad on foreign policy and international trade - unless you really like republican policies.

Her being a woman is just immaterial. Any male candidate with her 'qualifications' wouldn't have lasted past Iowa.

Project much? I actually had Clinton third on my list of candidates initially. Ahead of Richardson and Biden but since we are now down to only two candidates, Clinton is head and shoulders above Obama. He's good, real good, just not the best to get this country back on track.

He's a handsome man, affable, and with a cult like following with no real credentials to back up the candidacy. Sounds just like someone else who ran in 2000 and 2004 and that isn't what this country needs right now.

Because of her unique advantages (Bill, the support (at least in the beginning) of the party establishment, her years on the national stage), the media and pundits had to take her candidacy seriously. Sadly, and perhaps too-pessimistically (but I don't think so), I think the coverage of any future female candidate will revert to the "norm"--the way Carol Moseley Braun and Pat Schroeder on the Dem side, and Elizabeth Dole on the pub side, were treated. Dismissed as not credible, treated as a joke, covered as a novelty for a while, until it's time to pat them on the head and tell them to run along now.

The only thing that would change the dynamic is if the woman running was also a sitting Vice President.

I don't think there is any doubt that we will have a female POTUS.

But there are many, many women who do not think they will live to see it.

And I think that explains both the generational rift between women, as well as the huge passions of many a Hillary supporter.

:shrug:

I dunno, Hil was not my pick of this crop of nominees based on her politics, but I am mostly just sad that the campaign she ran was so flawed. She entered this race with huge name recognition and a lot of money behind her. The job of this campaign was to present her to voters in a way that would make them see her as the President. The campaign failed.

I am mostly sad that as an experienced politician she didn't control her campaign better. That is a HUGE failing at this level and it is the sort of mistake I expect to see out of a novice candidate in a local race.

YMMV.


Laura

If voters wanted that they would have voted for one of the guys in the first place.

We wont have a woman President until we have a woman candidate who is smart enough to try to appeal to those voters who really want a woman that acts like a woman in charge.

in addition to her.

If I am wrong feel free to correct me.

Regardless, oh go fuck off, can you cut the patronizing crap?

But I especially hate Democrats in name only, like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller and Hillary Clinton, because they are destroying the liberal alternative to the conservatives from the inside.

follow you in whatever you wanted them to do.

Here is a tip to remember in the future-try asking instead of ordering and when they say no, accept it and move on.

Otherwise you will spend much of your life angry at those who go a different way.

Understand that when a person is constantly hammered in broad fashion on integrity and honesty - this is called character assassination.

And that is exactly what Obama and his campaign did to Hillary Clinton. Yes, it is a loss - an historic and stupid one.


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