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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:21 PM
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Polls: Rasmussen-Clinton narrows Obama's lead. Gallup nat'l poll-Clinton beats McCain, Obama loses
And yes, I know. The Gallup poll about the Democratic nomination shows Obama's lead over Clinton widening, 51% to 42%.

But Rasmussen shows a narrowing lead.

And the Gallup national poll shows Obama losing to McCain by 3%, while Clinton beats McCain by 2%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107326/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Opens-51-42-Lead.aspx

http://www.dvorkin.com/rastrack.html
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:22 PM
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1. Wolfson: "This is a race for Delegates."
Polls are meaningless now.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:22 PM
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2. This vulture watch on the part of ClintonCo is just sad.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:22 PM
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3. In other news

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:23 PM
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4. Oh garsh! Hold on a minute! Not so fast! IT'S A NEW RACE!!!!
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:27 PM
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7. It's the reason she should be on the ticket.
The reason her supporters believe she would be more electable as the Democratic nominee.

But if Obama is the nominee, it's the reason she should be the VP.

And whether or not his supporters here are willing to think about these poll results, I hope he's wise enough to be thinking about them.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:41 PM
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I think Obama would like to not have to wonder when the coup is going to happen.
I think he'd like a VP he can trust, politically and otherwise.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:21 PM
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22. "When the coup is going to happen?" Do you have any idea how irrational that sounds?
Edited on Sat May-17-08 07:22 PM by highplainsdem
There is a very good chance Clinton will be on the ticket. It does NOT help to see attacks on her here that sound as if they came straight from wingnuts.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:23 PM
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5. My head hurts from these polls. It's May. November is about six months out.
Not just that, but George W. Bush is still "president," which means a million nasty surprises could await us.

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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:27 PM
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6. .......
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:33 PM
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8. Within the margin of error and, interestingly, a supplementary poll that includes cell
phone users has Obama up 48%-47 so... whatever on May polling.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:34 PM
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9. I could be wrong....
But I thought Rasmussen was going to stop doing tracking polls with Clinton.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:41 PM
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10. Why are you doing this to yourself? SHE LOST..get over it. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:44 PM
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11. That expression was just so adorable
when Republicans kept using it in 2000. Is there NO freeper tactic you guys won't adopt?
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:51 PM
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13. I also said this to Patriots fans after the superbowl...
"You lost...get over it."

Does that make me a freeper? Your logic is flawed.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:00 AM
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40. No, that's not what makes you a freeper
it's the constant non-stop hateful attacks on democrats.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:03 PM
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17. It might be adorable
but its also appropriate.

Blind ignorance to truth is something also displayed by our intellectually challenged right-wing friends, how are you different?
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:47 PM
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20. Come here and let me give you a big hug!
It's ok, just let it out. We're just waiting for the day when you stop letting reality teabag you and post the photos on it's MySpace page.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:24 PM
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24. Apparently MF believes reality is a Freeper tactic.
:shrug:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:02 AM
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41. did you love it when Freepers said it repeatedly
in 2000? It was reality - Gore DID lose. Were you tickled when Scalia just said it?

I'm gonna guess that that most people here didn't like it much. So why use it now?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:25 PM
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34. Are you comparing this primary to Gore having the election
stolen from him in 2000? I'm honestly not trying to be snarky, but I would be interested if you could point out the parallels for me... :shrug:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:03 AM
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42. No
I'm saying "You lost, get over it" is a jerkish thing to say, especially since nobody's won or lost yet.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:40 PM
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44. Thanks...
I agree for the most part...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:46 PM
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12. and she is exaclty where she started 6 months ago
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:55 AM
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39. Thank you grantcart
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:55 PM
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14. sounds like your cherry picking polls
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:01 PM
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15. Polling results of Clinton - McCain national matchups are no longer relevant
I mean, if Clinton was the presumptive nominee, or if she had a chance of being the nominee, it might be relevant. But she isn't the presumptive nominee, she doesn't have a chance of being the nominee, and it isn't relevant.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:03 PM
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16. R...... C......P...... Obama 48.5 Clinton 42
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:07 PM
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18. Rassmussen is a REtHUGlican polling firm
Take those IDIOTS with a grain........

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:51 PM
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19. yup.. that's why I ALWAYS post RCP within the Hillie's-gonna-win-it-polls
RCP is an AVERAGE..and the only reliable way to look at polls
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:48 PM
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21. HOLY CRAP!!!
:*
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:23 PM
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23. Odd how you missed this Gallup poll
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:38 AM
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35. I "missed" it? I mentioned it in the first line of my post, which you obviously missed.
Just as some Obama supporters here who were celebrating that poll ignored what Gallup said about Clinton's electability in the GE, compared to Obama's.

He isn't the nominee yet. He's very likely to be, but if you think superdelegates aren't considering whether Clinton might be more electable in the GE, you're naive.

A unity ticket is our best chance of winning in November. If the delegate numbers and popular-vote numbers were reversed, with Clinton slightly ahead, she would still need Obama on the ticket to have a good chance of winning. And he needs her and her supporters, if he really wants to unite the party and win.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:27 PM
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25. umm...
didn't Rasmussen stop polling the Democratic Primary because they concluded (as has anyone with knowledge of math) that Clinton can't win? Why yes, yes Rasmussen did stop polling the Democratic Primary because they concluded (as has anyone with knowledge of math) that Clinton can't win.



worthless OP.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:29 PM
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26. Why are people still looking at national polls?
46 of the 50 states have voted already!!!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:35 PM
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27. In June of 1992, Bill Clinton was polling third -- polls this far out are a waste of time
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:01 PM
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28. Real Clear shows Obama losing FL & OH, while Clinton wins
And Clinton wins by more in PA.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:15 PM
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33. Yeah, but when Obama wins Montana and Utah and North Dakota and Nebraska
and Mississippi and Wyoming, then Ohio and Florida won't matter! :crazy:
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:20 PM
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29. Off to the ignore pit with you
Anybody still arguing about Clinton's chances at this stage is never going to have any thought I want to take time to read.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:11 PM
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30. reality
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:12 PM
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31. And this is utterly meaningless, because Clinton will NOT be the nominee.
You might as well post a poll showing how John Edwards does against McCain, for all the relevance it has.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:39 AM
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36. B/c Clinton has not been attacked by Obama or her good buddy McCain.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:40 AM
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37. Does it matter?
No
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:52 AM
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38. Post title is a LIE. Rasmussen doesn't poll the Dem race anymore. n/t
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:07 AM
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43. And the election is 5+ months away, so big deal...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:04 PM
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45. "Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Sen. Obama a 61.5% chance of winning in November "
"Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Sen. Obama a 61.5% chance of winning in November "
(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

" The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 61.5% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race for the Democratic Party nomination is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee"

"At the moment, Senator Clinton’s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn’t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.

With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama."

"Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Sen. Obama a 61.5% chance of winning in November "
(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race for the Democratic Party nomination is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee":

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Real Clear Politics Average: Obama 49.0/Clinton 41.8 --

Obama 47.0/McCain 43.6 links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com /

The nomination poll is an average of the latest polls from Gallup, Rasmussen, Quinnipiac, and ABC News/Wash Post

link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html


The general election poll averages the latest polls from Gallup, Rasmussen, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post,POS/GQR and LA Times/Bloomberg

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

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"Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Sen. Obama a 61.5% chance of winning in November "
(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

" The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 61.5% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race for the Democratic Party nomination is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee"

"At the moment, Senator Clinton’s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn’t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.

With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama."

"Data from Rasmussen Markets gives Sen. Obama a 61.5% chance of winning in November "
(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race for the Democratic Party nomination is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee":

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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