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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:24 PM
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Frank Rich writes of Prescott Bush enabling Hitler
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:30 PM by RamboLiberal
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Just 36 hours after the Mississippi debacle, Mr. McCain tried to distance himself from the administration by flip-flopping on his signature issue, Iraq, suddenly endorsing just the kind of timetable for withdrawal he has characterized as “surrender” when proposed by Democrats or Mitt Romney. (When Mr. McCain proposes it, he labels it “victory.”) But hardly had Mr. McCain spoken than his message was upstaged by Mr. Bush’s partisan political speech in Israel. The president implied that Mr. Obama would have enabled the Nazis even more foolishly than his own grandfather, Prescott Bush, did in the 1930s when he maintained “investment relationships with Hitler’s Germany,” as Kevin Phillips delicately describes it in “American Dynasty.”

Mr. McCain’s Iraq stunt was his second effort in a week to flee Mr. Bush, following a speech bemoaning administration inaction on climate change. These gambits were in turn preceded by Mr. McCain’s attack on the White House response to Hurricane Katrina. Too bad he took this strong stand nearly three years after it might have sped relief to those suffering in New Orleans.

The McCain campaign is hoping that such showy, if tardy, departures from Bush-Cheney doctrine will constitute a galaxy of Sister Souljah moments, each with headlines reading “McCain Breaks With Bush on...” and the usual knee-jerk press references to Mr. McCain as a “maverick.” Enough of these, you see, and those much-needed independent voters might be flimflammed into believing that the G.O.P. candidate bears no responsibility for the administration’s toxically unpopular policies.

You can’t blame him for trying. Independents favor Democrats over Republicans on most issues, according to the April New York Times/CBS News poll, including the economy (by 30 points), Iraq (by 13 points) and health care (48 points).

But are independents suckers? They’d have to be to fall for the pitch that Mr. McCain is an apostate in his own party in 2008. He has been an outspoken Bush defender since helping him sell the Iraq war in 2002 and barnstorming for him in 2004. Despite Mr. McCain’s campaign claims to the contrary, he never publicly called for the firing of Donald Rumsfeld. He is still one of the president’s most stalwart supporters in Congress, even signing on to the president’s wildly unpopular veto of an expansion of children’s health insurance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/opinion/18rich.html?hp

StillCool47 pointed out Rich's link to story about Prescott Bush connection: How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar/print
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:26 PM
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1. Wow.....I'm surprised anyone from the Corporate Media took this on.
Maybe he read Larisa Alexandrovna's piece?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:36 PM
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5. It is a bit surprising but the way Rich has
been pointing out facts about hilary..why stop now?

And, this is just the tip of the Iceberg for mccain.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:28 PM
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2. That's an awesome link he provided...
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:09 PM
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29. That Guardian piece was great.
But it barely scratched the surface. The ties between corporate America and the Nazis were numerous. Did you know Standard Oil provided the Nazis with the patent for converting coal to oil? The Nazi war machine could not have functioned without Standard Oil's patents. A little further reading for those of you who are interested.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:31 PM
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34. Don't forget IBM
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:06 PM
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37. Oh yes, can't forget those bastages
The Nazi's couldn't have been as efficient at processing Jews, Gypsies, and Gays without IBM.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:29 PM
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3. THANK YOU FRANK RICH-- it's about time!!!
I am going to send him an email tomorrow morning-- FINALLY this has hit the MSM-- please let the rest of them pick up on this story (not just Keith although that would be fine too of course).
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:32 PM
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4. Holy Backfired Plans, Batman!
:rofl:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:14 PM
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30. DUzy
:rofl:
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:39 PM
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6. I read the whole piece.....
you are right, its really good. The thing that is so much fun right now is the freaking repubs can't run and hide behind some manufactured BS about the Dems...they are truly their own worst enemies! This is going to be a very interesting cycle for the Dems, especially with a candidate that is not going to roll with the punches, instead he is going to kick their butts with their own words and deeds!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:43 PM
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7. finally, voters might see what frauds Bush and co. are
in 2000 if the NYT had written this no one would have believed it.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:00 AM
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13. From the Hitler to the Bin Laden family, that Bush family sure knows how to pick its friends, huh?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:19 AM
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24. if the public knew this then it would put them off?
if the MSM ran headlines Bush linked to Bin Ladin and Bush linked to Nazis then it would be a different story but no the MSM is in the palm of the GOP and its corporations.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:16 PM
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38. The Jewish support
Edited on Sun May-18-08 06:34 PM by Baby Snooks
I have always wondered how the Jewish community can justify its support of the Bushes three times (in 1988, in 2000, and in 2004)in light of Prescott Bush which the Jewish community has known about and ignored.

Is Israel more important than the memories of those who perished in the Holocaust? Apparently so. Which is quite sad. And also quite scary.

Actually its support four times. They apparently supported Jeb Bush as governor of Florida. The economy of Florida is a portent of our national economy. Which is not a good sign for our economy.

I hate to use the term Jews for Hitler but I will.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:32 PM
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50. The neo-con Israelis who have been in control are no different from Bush ---
Nixon armed right-wing/fundamentalist Israelis --- it was our playing card to increase OUR power
in the ME --- our entrance -- a new avenue to manipulate and control --- warmonger ---

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:18 PM
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36. The political connections are more than obvious...

Hitler opposed the Communists as did bin Laden and the Muslim Brotherhood when they fought the Soviet Union. This is exactly what drew the support of the Industrialists to Hitler and Big Oil to the Saudis. When right-wing ideology gets out of control it turns into fascism. The Bush family has always leaned toward fascism, no matter what garbage they may spew.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:46 PM
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8. Bravo, Frank Rich! BRAVO!
K and R
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:04 PM
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9. Balls out!!
This should be fun to watch.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:21 PM
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10. K & R
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:27 PM
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11. It's about time ...
Someone called Shrub on the carpet about Hitler comparisons when his Granddaddy was a good bud to Hitler.

I remember seeing this photo ...



About the Olympics held in Germany, you know the one the U.S. boycotted.

Anyway, Prescott is supposed to be visible in the background of that photo.

When I saw it the first time Prescott was circled. I can't find that version now. :-(
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:57 PM
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12. .
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:04 AM
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14. And if only one of our braver elected Dems would ALSO point out this little historical irony
then maybe the TV based media would feel obliged to cover it. Even if they were only lured by the possibility of mining fake outrage against the outspoken one who dared mention the swastika on Bush's armband, it could work to our favor. But who will stick their necks out for truth?
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:10 AM
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15. I wrote about this on October 9, 2001..it is about time it is brought up again...see story archive
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:51 PM
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44. Yes, many of us were following this story. Somewhere in the Archives
here on DU I posted all the links to the documents in the National Archives. I assume it is still here somewhere.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:30 AM
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16. K&R
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:37 AM
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17. Google "FDR coup prescott bush" - it'll really blow your hair back
if you haven't read about it already. Before the New Deal was passed there was a serious and documented attempt to unseat FDR by a military coup, and one of the business leaders behind it was Prescott Bush. It failed and was hushed up at the time, but there is plenty of first hand information and documentation around. The BBC did a piece on it not long ago.

All well worth reading up on. And it makes one wonder just how the Bush's got off not just scott free, but stayed in the game for another coup or two.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:40 AM
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18. probably the same way that they stayed low key when
Reagan was shot just a few days into his Presidency. Remember, Hinckley was a friend of the family and scheduled to have dinner with them....Forgotten history....they are always looking to usurp leadership. Will Jeb be the VP with McCain? Hmmmm....

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:31 PM
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35. Prescott Bush was one of a group of American Industrialists
outed by General Smedley Butler for plotting a coup against FDR. They approached Butler to see if he would lead an army of war veterans to overthrow FDR and install a Fascist government. Instead of helping them install a Fascist government, Butler exposed them.

The Wikipedia article on the "Business Plot" is here.

The link to the BBC4 program on Bush's links to the plot is here.

The History Channel also put together a 1-hour program on the Business Plot. The link can be found here.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:35 PM
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51. They say that Prescott and Allen Dulles "wrapped themselves in the flag" and --
promised to devote themselves to intelligence service!!!

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:40 AM
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19. Frank Rich is a surgeon with words
He slices true and he always excises the tumorous growths that live in Washington.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:55 AM
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21. he's a very good writer
Style-wise, I mean. I like his content typically, but just strictly speaking from a literary standpoint, he's very good.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:44 AM
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23. I agree
He's very clean. He doesn't use tricks or gimmicks.

Incidentally, Mr. Rich is a character in the film, Color Me Kubrick - based on the true tale of a conman that posed as the director during the 1990s.

:hi:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:59 PM
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43. really? I didn't know that
I'll have to check that out.

Yeah, I like Rich's writing style. He's solid all-around. I think because he gets more words and writes only once a week, plus he has a background writing about culture and arts, he brings a more literary feel to his writing than most columnists. For example, I like Maureen Dowd, for the most part, and she's very witty, but sometimes her work is so highly stylized that she comes off very childish. Rich is never like that. I've grown to really love his writing, even if I don't agree totally with some of it.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:38 AM
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20. K/R.
:kick:
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johnt66 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:58 PM
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42. O/T
Did anyone see the 75,000 people who attended President Obama rally in Portland OR to day, and you know the MSM,was afraid to even scan the peopleWOW!!!!!!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:06 AM
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22. bookmarking
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:24 AM
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25. So NOW it's OK to tell the Prescott Bush/Hitler story?
Because Dubya is all but done? Sorry, but that doesn't strike me as all that cutting-edge. The story is true, but it's too late to do much good. That's why Rich is allowed to print it, now.
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:31 PM
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32. Agreed.
The Kevin Phillips' book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, which Rich cites, was published in 2005/2006. It was well reviewed by Paul Krugman in The New York Review of Books, by Michiko Kakutani in The New York Times, and by Jonathan Yardley in The Washington Post but as usual, cable news had more important things to cover (Lindsay Lohan's drinking and Britney Spears' Brazilian wax job and curious inability to head-in park her car, if I recall correctly).

To be honest, I don't think any of this would have affected Bush's installation as president. Something closer and more immediate would have been needed -- something like absolute proof about going AWOL from the National Guard. That definitely would have stung. But the group behind Bush, both in Texas and nationally, wouldn't be so stupid as to leave absolute proof lying around. Not much they could do about Prescott Bush -- except repaint Prescott Bush as some sort of intelligence asset in his dealings with Nazi Germany. It worked well enough for Averell Harriman

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johnt66 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:55 PM
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41. No it will help
Because now we can tie McCain to Bush, just like the MSM tried to do with Rev. Wright.One good turn deserve another.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:39 AM
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26. Brilliant. Required reading for every DUer. Give 'em hell, Frank.
I am grateful every Sunday for Frank Rich's truth telling.

The GOP talking heads have no one - NO ONE - of his ability (Bill Kristol? Don't make me laugh.)

Thank you again, Frank.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:23 PM
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27. Finally! Where was the NYT on this story in 2000? In 1980? In 1942?
Edited on Sun May-18-08 12:25 PM by leveymg
None of this about banking services to the Third Reich provided by Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker is exactly news.

Note that The Times buried the story of the 1942 seizure under the Trading With The Enemy Act of the Union Bank and other Nazi companies run by Harriman, Bush and Walker. The NYT buried the story of the 1980 October Surprise, then Iran-Contra when it first broke, and provided the forum for Judith Miller and other Times reporters who were cheerleading the phony Iraq WMD story.

The New York Times has done nothing so far to expose the central role of John McCain in the rise of Ahmad Chalabi.

Times publishers and some top editors have been a core part of the duping of America and its takeover by a fascist Fifth Column.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:05 PM
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28. I was pleased to see Frank Rich take this on in the NYT
I doubt this story will grow legs, but it may keep Bush away from using the Nazi appeasement meme. After all, the Bush fortune came from a Nazi collaborator.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:15 PM
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31. awesome, Bush opened himself up for that - surprised ANY media said something
although Frank Rich is special - he says what he thinks and it doesn't match
right wing talking points.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:29 PM
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39. K&R
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:30 PM
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40. Finally ... been waiting for that for a very, very long time ... Thank you Mr Rich!
Peace,
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:54 PM
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45. There's not much to dispute, either ....
... I read Kevin Phillips 'American Dynasty' - and it wasn't just Prescott Bush, either. Both sides of Bush's family worked for financial firms helping the Nazis rebuild.

Hey, death-for-money is the family business.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:59 PM
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46. It is also described in a book called "Trading With The Enemy" . . .
Edited on Sun May-18-08 09:01 PM by defendandprotect
but, of course, it wasn't only trading --- it was raising money for Hitler ---
shipping him GOLD redeemed from the US Treasury--cashing in dollar bills for gold ---
and raising money throughout the world to support Hitler ---
by using various front companies ---


Herbert Walker --- his father in-law --- was, of course, also involved in all of this ---

Along with Allen Dulles and Harriman ---

Sullivan & Cromwell was Dulles' legal firm which was used ---

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:03 PM
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47. Hey, I think Frank Rich just took Bush/Hitler/Nazis . . .
out of the dungeon --- !!!

It's been a long, sad road to legitimacy, however. . . !!!


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:06 PM
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48. And it would be nice now to see Keith Olbermann and others pick it up now --- !!!! YIPPEE --!!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:28 PM
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49. If i remember my history, the republicans opposed FDR's desire to help the British and French fight
Edited on Sun May-18-08 09:29 PM by rhett o rick
Germany. If it wasn't for Pearl Harbor we might never have helped (Hitler declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor). In general republicans support fascist dictators including Hitler and Mussolini. Anyone know of a book or paper detailing all the republicans that aided Hitler??
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