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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:09 PM
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Some Reasons Why a Shotgun Wedding Won’t Be Necessary
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Some Reasons Why a Shotgun Wedding Won’t Be Necessary

By Al Giordano at The Field

I would not enjoy being an advocate of the (con)fusion ticket being peddled in some quarters where it’s argued that Obama “must” choose Senator Clinton as his running mate.

I’ve already outlined two reasons that scenario can’t survive even on life support:

First, the advocates of an Obama-Clinton ticket haven’t been able to get the “I won’t vote for Obama in November” grouposcule within the Clinton camp to sign up for it. As we demonstrated here the other day, in their own words, so many of the folks in that camp continue to say that they would consider an offer of the vice presidency for Clinton insulting and condescending to her supporters. I agree with those people. It would be condescending to try and mix oil and water (the combination of which has corroded many a gas tank), including if the primaries had gone differently and Clinton were the nominee-apparent leading to speculation that she might tap Obama as vice presidential nominee.

The second reason is more subtle: The louder that certain factions try to exert pressure on Obama into picking any individual as his running mate, the more his acquiescence to such a demand would make him look weak, buckling under pressure, and captive to outside interests. In a word: unpresidential, and lacking in the leadership qualities and independence that Americans look for in a commander-in-chief.

There’s a third reason why this dog ain’t gonna hunt. Marc Ambinder hinted at it the other day when mentioning his guesses as to how Obama’s VP search will be conducted. It’s called the vetting process:

Obama will wind up vetting more candidates than one might suspect; that the vetting will be extremely thorough and private; that several women will be vetted NOT as tokens but as actual potential choices; that Hillary Clinton WILL be asked to submit the vetting documents IF she signals that she wants to be considered…

...more at the link


It is doubtful that the Clintons would want to submit to what will be a very invasive vetting process. The task would be monumental and time consuming as well: the sheer volume of material to dig through definitely exceeds the amount of time available to do it in. Think about 8 years of a Presidency, then Arkansas files, and getting the information from Bill about his past 8 years-including his business ventures-all in a matter of weeks. Add the library records, and its simply too mammoth for thorough vetting in a month. And that assumes that there is nothing new. This vetting process will be tough for any potential VP candidate.

Also the comments on Taylor Marsh seem to have moved into the acceptance phase - they don’t like it but Obama will be the nominee. Mydd is also has a (mostly civil debate on the coming tuesday - all in all not looking too bad for democratic unity.




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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:15 PM
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1. I love Al Giordiano.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:11 PM
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9. His blog, and FiveThirtyEight have been my favorites this season.
Finding new political blogs to become obsessed over is nirvana to me. :-)
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:50 PM
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23. I hear you! I'm always on the prowl for good new blogs
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:23 PM
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2. very interesting article that everyone should read and consider
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:28 PM
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3. K&R
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:58 PM
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4. K&R
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:07 PM
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5. Brawazawawawaa
"It is doubtful that the Clintons would want to submit to what will be a very invasive vetting process. The task would be monumental and time consuming as well: the sheer volume of material to dig through definitely exceeds the amount of time available to do it in. Think about 8 years of a Presidency, then Arkansas files, and getting the information from Bill about his past 8 years-including his business ventures-all in a matter of weeks. Add the library records, and its simply too mammoth for thorough vetting in a month. And that assumes that there is nothing new. This vetting process will be tough for any potential VP candidate."

This is Priceless, WYVBC..thanks.

Hoisted on their Own Petard Again..

"The second reason is more subtle: The louder that certain factions try to exert pressure on Obama into picking any individual as his running mate, the more his acquiescence to such a demand would make him look weak, buckling under pressure, and captive to outside interests. In a word: unpresidential, and lacking in the leadership qualities and independence that Americans look for in a commander-in-chief."


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:09 PM
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7. That vetting process ought to eliminate many candidates
think about it.

We owe The Field a bunch for this excellent overview. Its the first such
opinion/advisory I've seen anywhere.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:15 PM
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10. I am thinking it about now..something I hadn't thought of..
this is a gift for us and is easing my mind as we type.

Thanks, The Field and Al Giordano! :*
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:22 PM
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16. I agree that they won't agree to a vetting process
but if they try and accumulate enough power as the primaries close they may still pressure for a spot without the vetting.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:42 PM
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20. Very Interesting...just a short while ago the Clinton folk were saying Obama is not vetted!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:09 PM
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6. So Gore wil be called in to mend? Interesting
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:10 PM
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8. if true, then that is why they've been holding the "Gore card" back so long
they were planning the day they would need him, just like the trickle
of super delegates and John Edwards endorsement.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:24 PM
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17. Good point! Obama is nothing if not
Strategic!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:18 PM
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11. I didn't even know there were vetting documents; Obama's team
must be doing that now (one would hope). Sounds like a massive undertaking, unless there really are politicians out there with no obvious skeletons. There's a concept!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:19 PM
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12. I think Obama's too smart to be bullied into choosing anyone...
...he doesn't think is best for the party, his administration and the country - and that automatically excludes Hillary.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:45 PM
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15. I think
He has to find the right person for VP, who can help win states, has a good record, and someone who has not given the republicans ammo for the ads in the GE! A vetting process is good, and he needs to get the person he feels the most comfortable with, who shares his idea of "change" and who will help him make those changes this country needs to get out of the mess Bush and his buddies have gotten us into. Someone who is willing to take on corporate America, and help give this country back to the "people"! I am confident that he will make the right choice when the time comes!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:26 PM
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18. Someone strong and real like he is..not a
fake who was always built on expen$ive $and.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:34 PM
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13. i noticed the sentiment changed last week with it being undeniable this weekend
interesting :hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:35 PM
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14. The problem is that this is based on assumptions that we all share


Sometimes the ambition of the Clinton campaign makes you wonder if they are willing to play Chicken for a bigger slice of the pie.

At this point I don't know but I want Obama to have all the cards so he has the maximum amount of lattitude to manuever.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:46 PM
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22. So Obama will win the GE without half the Dem party's voters?
He's going to lose half his own party's votes if his surrogates keep making those remarks.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:54 PM
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26. No, but I'm pretty sure he can win without 1% of DU.
:rofl:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:53 PM
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24. Is this really necessary?
Come on, this doesn't help Obama. Remember, he wants us to be nice to Clinton supporters (which I have been encouraging for months, but now that Obama said it hopefully people will listen).
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:44 PM
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21. Sadly, the GOP may end up vetting Obama
and if he makes it to the GE, it won't be pretty. Apparently our party leaders learn the hard way. They didn't think the GOP would steal the 2004 election either....
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:46 PM
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25. He's been vetted plenty over the past few months
The Clinton team has a pretty robust research machine. I have to believe they've found whatever's out there on Obama. They have been trying for months and the best they have found is guilt by association.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:27 PM
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27. K & R
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