What a real kitchen sink campaign would have looked like

This myth of the fantastically dirty Clinton campaign is on my last nerve. Let's just take a look at one issue. Rev. Wright. We keep hearing about how Clinton is responsible for this. Wright was well known for years. His videos were readily available at any time. Yet when did these videos appear? Before Iowa, when for the last week it was readily apparent Obama would win. Nope, not then. How about before New Hampshire, when it was make or break for Hillary? Nope, not then. How about before Super Tuesday when Clinton desperately needed to win the night? Nope, not then either. How about before the Potomic Primary, where it might have won her Virginia? Nope, not then. Before Wisconsin? Nope, not then either. It finally broke when Hillary was all but unable to win. No proof whatsoever that she was behind it, incidently. Now a real kitchen sink campaign would have released those videos before Iowa and strangled Obama in the crib. Instead, they didn't release them at all. Some kitchen sink.

I won't say she was perfect. But it is total, unadulterated bullshit to say she threw the kitchen sink. Obama supporters need to grow up.

I have been to several of her rallies, but today, I got to go behind the scenes with her and speak with her. She is the greatest Woman in America and will make a wonderful President. I was so humbled by her knowledge and presences. I can't properly express my adulation of her.

Isn't she great?

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believe, it takes alot to get him excited at our age, but she is the most impressive Person I have ever met. My Husband, who has always been for her, said, that he would now go and talk and work for at his work place. I was so proud of her and him. I am still on a high, so are my sisters, bet we have phoned back and forth a dozen times, celebrating our wonderful day. We have now gone to separate places in Tenn and Ky, but today brought us together , physically and politically. My 83 yr old Mom was so impressed with the her . She grabbed the Hillary signs and got one for her younger 79 yr old sister. They are so tuned in and turned on. I am so proud to be and American today, Hillary caused this great day for my family. Oh, yeah, My Mom has put a bumper sticker on her SUV, my Dad , who died in Nov, called it his SOB. She drives it once a week and worries about the gas, but she has a Hillary sticker on it to make all her travels. I am so proud of her.

What she now needs is people making phone calls in OR. I just got a call from the Lexington campaign office. KY is going great, but we could use some help in OR. Please help out, we can call OR until 12 AM EST due to the hour difference.

The instructions are on her website: hillaryclinton.com

I am fired up.

I'm in NJ and can't be physically there to help, but at least I can make phone calls. People are usually nice, some hang ups but most people are not rude.

Good luck!!

I'm totally kidding, Mags!! I think it's great that you got to meet Hillary!! I'd love to meet her, personally.

Her campaign staff, not so much. :-)

:hug: Mags :hug:

Yeah, we middle-aged "babes in the woods" will definitely learn.

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after 32 years of being interested in the nomination and general election phases of presidential contests, that I still look so young as to be considered a babe in the woods. Thanks for the compliment.

If her campaign had been tied to the videos it would of sunk her as well and Edwards would have been the nominee.

Obama drops out and all those "working class whites" would have voted for someone who truly was one of them and who had truly been fighting for them he would have also gotten the AA vote because they would have blamed Hillary.

She didn't drop it because it was a calculation if her hands were remotely tied to it. She dies too.

The fact that he withstood it barely breaking a sweat doesn't mean it didn't happen. However, if pretending it never happened helps you digest the reality of her defeat, you go on with your bad self.

One of Hillary's staff lamented the oppo was crummy:

...I just think they should have really gone after him back in the summer and in the fall. I know it would have been a difficult decision to make back then. She's the leader of the party, the standard bearer, the big dog. Everyone thinks she's gonna win and walk away with it. Why go picking on Barack Obama? But that's just something the campaign should have done sooner."

"We didn't lay a serious glove on him until the fall. We tried to a little bit, but we weren't successful. We did silly stuff, like talk about David Geffen. It wasn't the substantive contrast we needed to make."

"Devastating vulnerabilities such as Obama's associations with Wright and Ayers were not unearthed by the campaign's vaunted research team in time to be fully taken advantage of--despite being readily available in the public domain."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

"Kitchen sink fusillade" was the Clinton campaign's description of what was to come, BTW.

of course they had them, everyone did. They were on Wright's website. They made a strategic decision and or moral one, not to use them.

The staffer passes on the truth and a chance to wrap themselves in moral nobility to proclaim falsely that they were sufficiently amoral, but inept?

and Obama wanting to be President since he was a kindergartener in an Islamic country.

by that standard Obama would be responsible for the comment about the Bosnia story that Hillary was unfit to be President. The kindergarden thing was fair game given Obama's campaign's flogging the 20 year plan about Hillary.

That's why everyone laughed at it when she first tried floating it. You're supposed to wargame your campaign strategy, not grasp at straws that might come back and suck you back through them.

And adult ambition is not the same thing as 5 year old fantasies, but you know that.

I don't care if the guy got fired, his wife is still running for Senate with the full support of the party isn't she? It didn't stop other racist attacks, right up to her white working man pandering.

or should the party get to overrule primaries when the results don't favor you? Of course, Obama didn't win that state so maybe you don't like that primary. The 20 year plan was a bald faced lie from Dick Morris. Your campaign spread it.

Point being, getting fired didn't hurt the guy any so give me a break on using that to excuse the racism. And it's only an idiot who doesn't know she didn't have ambition to be President for decades. Then again, maybe you keep forgetting I lived in Arkansas when Clinton was President. I've been watching them a lot longer than most.

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swore he was clean, then got busted two months later for dealing. This was maybe a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago. Don't know the details; don't care to know the details. I'm pretty sure he's in prison now, and that all right by me. Society didn't push him there--he was always just a lazy, selfish dimwit who didn't give a shit about anyone else.

Nowadays, I live a block away from a black drug dealer. Everyone knows; everyone just leaves him alone. No sense sticking your nose in someone else's shit.

That's a symptom of the inequities due to poverty and racism that're inherent in our justice system. Black drug users and dealers get sent to jail for things better-connected white users and dealers get off on or get off with misdemeanors for.

a white supremacist

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It was her announced strategy.

If she failed to deliver on her announced strategy, that's another matter altogether.

She never expected Obama to catch on,. She thought her opponent would be EDWARDS..

Including members of her own staff, actually.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

"Devastating vulnerabilities such as Obama's associations with Wright and Ayers were not unearthed by the campaign's vaunted research team in time to be fully taken advantage of--despite being readily available in the public domain."

And didn't conduct thorough opposition research until it was too late to make a difference.. or their opposition research missed this... those are two other possibilities. I would think they are probably more likely, as this is the same braniac campaign team that thought that CA delegates were awarded on a winner take all basis. :eyes:

Clinton was the Inevitable Nominee, remember?

There was a thread earlier today that linked to the clip where Tweety challenged a Texas Obama supporter to name any of BO's accomplishments in the senate and the guy couldn't name even one.

If Hillary bought that clip from MSNBC and used it in an ad, it could have been devastating. She needed to hit hard and hit relentlessly and she failed to do that.

supporters who think Obama is a muslim terrorist that swore on the Koran

Let's play that tape.

not just some random dude off the street.

I wish I had original video.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/20/11252/0951

that the "kitchen sink" strategy didn't actually come about until late in the campaign? The common consensus around Washington is that she didn't really consider Obama a serious threat until after Super Tuesday.

He won Iowa. Had she lost NH, which every pundit and poll predicted she would until the day before, she would have been out. It is absurd on its face that she didn't consider him a threat at that point.

do you think she didn't invest any time or money in caucus states, or in the post-Super-Tuesday states? She was convinced that she wouldn't need to until Super Tuesday came and went without that congratulatory phone call from Sen. Obama.

she actually did spend money in those states but did so very late. No one on earth thought he was a flash in the pan at that point. He was up in dozens of states by then as anyone with polls knew.

Her plan never included winning Iowa. It did include moving FL & MI up and pretending they were big wins. She had a big state strategy and never considered a black candidate would get any votes. She had her black supporters in Alabama telling the black voters to quit believing in fantasies and get behind the candidate who could win in November. She has run a hideous campaign. Hardly a day has gone by that she, Bill or someone from her campaign didn't make some disparaging and untrue comment about the Obama campaign.

"In Iowa, New Hampshire and now Nevada, the Clinton campaign has sought to suppress the vote of her rivals' supporters."

Hillary Clinton's Dirty Campaign Tactics
http://www.alternet.org/story/73782/

Right?