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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:54 AM
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Poll question: Will Obama win in November without the votes of Clinton supporters?
There have been a lot of threads that say, "Clinton supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all for Obama." There have also been a lot of claims that say that "We (Obama supporters) don't need Clinton supporters."

I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I believe that Obama cannot win without most of those millions of votes.

I also believe that he will get those votes and win the General Election.

Do you think that Obama can win without those voters?
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:56 AM
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1. Tiny % won't vote for him....the rest WILL! (History shows this)
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM by quantass
The larger majority of leftovers will vote for him and thus these strays wont matter.
Most hillbots are just being veyr emotional right now but as time goes on and they get McCain in their living room, let just say, Johnny will be the best motivating speaker to vote democrat this season.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:21 AM
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27. Most supporters of *ANY* real Democratic candidate are Democrats first.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:21 AM by Tesha
There are a few very noisy "outliers" (did I spell that right ;)?)
here on DU that will never vote for Obama, but they are just that:
statistical outliers or other sorts of anomalies and we would do
well to ignore them.

Tesha
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:00 PM
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38. I agree. For me, those who say they won't vote for Obama OR Hillary are a problem.
This is Democratic Underground, after all.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:15 PM
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55. Yes, but above loyaty to party -- or even country -- is fealty to a principle.
I will not unite with people who falsely call me or my friends 'racists.' I won't reward with my approval the efforts of people who deliberately launch scurrilous and slanderous attacks against people whom I greatly honor and respect.

When Hillary gets an apology from all who accused her of racism, perhaps we can all be united again.

Until then, my loyalty is to individuals, not organizations.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:18 PM
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56. I couldn't have said it better. Thanks
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:49 PM
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65. What principles of yours would McCain represent?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 AM
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I don't think the percentage of Clinton supporters that won't vote for Obama is anywhere
near as high as reported.

It's a contentious primary. People say things, but the vast majority of us will pull together in November.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM
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5. I don't either. It's just primary trash talk. This poll is assuming they won't.
Can Obama win without them?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:14 AM
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23. Let's see....can Obama win the GE without almost 1/2 of the party....
of course not.

However, I don't believe your scenario is realistic.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:48 AM
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32. It's not my scenario. It's the scenario of many DUers.
As you can see in the results of the poll.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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42. Regardless of the source, it's still unrealistic.
...and I wouldn't call for a change to Obama's message to pander any group.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 AM
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2. There should be a 3rd category
Bluff
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM
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3. No he won't
so it's a good thing he'll get most of them. and some new voters, independents and crossover repubs to boot.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM
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4. All Clinton supporters? No he couldn't possibly if none...
...vote for him.

Most Clinton supporters will vote for Obama as most Obama supporters will vote for Clinton. It will only be a small percentage (and there will be some) that won't vote or go with McCain for various reasons.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:01 AM
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9. Of course we're right. Lets see how the poll goes. nt
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indio55555 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:03 PM
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40. (and there will be some)
That some is the same lady calling all the Air America radio shows telling that she will vote for McCain and doesn't even have a reason as to why.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:59 AM
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6. if some clinton supporters say they will stay home or vote mccain, then we didn't really
have them as democrats, anyway.

so, it would be losing what you don't have.

Otherwise, I think the vast majority of Clinton supporters ARE democrats and will vote that way in November.

so I think this meme is divisive and damaging.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:00 AM
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7. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:00 AM
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8. without the Clinton voters, he doesnt have a chance in hell. sorry.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:02 AM
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11. I agree. The poll will show what DUers think.
Will they get it right?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:10 AM
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20. doubt it.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:01 AM
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10. We do need the Clinton supporters on our side.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:03 AM
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12. He doesn't need them
Clinton supporters better get used to the fact that they are not as important as they think they are.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:03 AM
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13. Considering that the Hillbots talking this shit represent an entire.00000001% of the voting populace
I don't think they'll be missed, and I doubt they were ever Democrats in the first place.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 PM
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44. You're missing my point.
Many here at DU (a majority according to this poll) say that we can win without Clinton's supporters.

So far millions of core Democrats have voted for her (nearly 50%).

This isn't "00000001% of the voting populace."
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:03 AM
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14. Anyone who would vote for McCain...
isn't a Democrat anyway. You really are a sad case and have some serious issues if you can't get behind the eventual nominee whoever he or shge happens to be.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:04 AM
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15. Hillary supporters who vote for McCain
are not voting for their own best interests, unless their number one best interest is to keep this country on the wrong track.

Once we have a nominee then the anger will dissipate for the most part. There may be some who are so blinded by Obama hatred that they will vote for McCain or stay home, but if they are really paying attention they are only hurting themselves in the long run.
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:05 AM
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16. No.... However
Clinton will do even worse without Obama supporters...

Me personally... If the dems cant step up and nominate a man I'm going to support McCain :sarcasm:

See how stupid it sounds hill-bots?
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:12 AM
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21. I'd love for just one to give me the real reason they wouldn't vote for Obama
There aren't too many if you look at it realistically since their policies aren't that different.

They either like McCain more than Obama

They don't want a black president

Their feelings got hurt because an Obama supporter said something bad about Hillary

There's not much else besides those but if so, please share.
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:18 AM
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24. Its called cutting off your nose to spite your face...
some became so tied up in, lets call it, positive sexism (their "turn" is more important than anything else) that they will act like angry kids who pass up a really good time at the pool because they dont want to wear sun screen...
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:06 AM
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17. I also believe that he will get those votes and win the General Election.
This choice gets my vote.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:08 AM
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18. Of course he needs the support of Clinton supporters or he will lose
And I am certain that he will get the support of the vast majority of them.

Some of Sen. Clinton's more ardent supporters are now going from the process of denial to the process of anger. When the Senator from New York concedes and endorses Sen. Obama - they will then be able to move on to the process of acceptance.

It's very emotionally painful for most people to accept something that one has worked on so hard.

It will take a little more time. All politically active people have been through it before themselves.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:09 AM
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19. doesnt the reverse hold true????
Hillary needs Obama supporters to win.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:51 AM
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33. Yes, but that scenario is unlikely.
And is not what this poll is about.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:14 AM
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22. Obama will get the vast majority of former Hillary supporters...
the very tiny minority that are threatening are insignificant, imo. Obama will get many more votes from independents than he will lose from the so-called Dems threatening to stay home. As for those who say they will vote for McCain, they NEVER were Dems.

Your poll is misleading, imo. It assumes the premise that the majority of Hillary voters will not vote for Obama and that is a fallacy,imo.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:20 AM
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25. A better question would be
Can Hillary supporters who refuse to vote for the Dem nominee in November still be considered Dems?
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:30 AM
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29. & if not, what happens then, do we take away their birthdays and stamp their mealcards no dessert
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:30 AM by aquarius dawning
forever?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:21 AM
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26. He wont have to worry because the vast majority are smart enough to do what's right.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:27 AM
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28. my best friend whos republican
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:27 AM by iamthebandfanman
will be voting for Obama over McCain.

i think itll be close, but it can be done...by getting independents and disenfranchised republicans.

p.s. just wanted to add how sad it is that we even have to discuss this.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:56 AM
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35. It is sad that many here think that Obama "doesn't need Clinton supporters."
Over a hundred million voters voted in 2004.

We're going to need them.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:35 AM
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30. I voted yes so I can explain here.
Obama will win with the support of DEMOCRATS. If there are BAD HILLARY supporters that put their want of her for President (Refuse to Vote for Obama in the GE) over the future of this country then they are not democrats..

GOOD Clinton supporters (The VAST Majority of them) will vote for Obama in the GE because they know that if McCain gets elected. The future will be fucked beyond repair and Roe Vs Wade will die along with the lives of MANY MANY MANY women who will have their lives ruined due to a pregnancy they cant handle. The Children of those living in deep poverty.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:53 AM
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34. This was a yes or no poll.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM by onehandle
You inserted conditions. I did not.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:38 AM
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31. Better question: Will McBush3 win in November without the votes of Clinton supporters? Answer: No.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:56 AM
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36. Divided We Lose
If Hillary's people stay home, we lose the election. Most likely we lose Congress as well. If we are anywhere near as divided in November as we are now, we're fucked.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:58 AM
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37. I believe that the overwhelming majority of Clinton supporters are good DEMOCRATS, and as such
will support the Democratic Nominee.

There are a few severely unhinged crazies, obviously- but past a certain point, they're not worth worrying about.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:02 PM
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39. I agree. The poll suggests that a plurality of DUers don't agree with us.
What does that say about DU?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:12 PM
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48. I think some of the confusion has to do with endless conditions & demands being made
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:13 PM by impeachdubya
by a few of Sen. Clinton's supporters- as in; "I won't support Obama unless he... makes Hillary his VP, drops out, changes his middle name", that sort of thing.

We are all Democrats and as such WE should support the nominee. And WE need the support of Democrats, certainly.

But the idea that the loser in this contest is in some sort of position to issue demands is incorrect.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:04 PM
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41. stupid question.
vast majority will vote for the democrat.

can we win without the TINY faction who won't?

YES.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:09 PM
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45. You're missing my point.
Many here at DU (a majority according to this poll) say that we can win without Clinton's supporters.

So far millions of core Democrats have voted for her (nearly 50%).

They're not talking about a "TINY faction."
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:24 PM
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54. Show me a direct quote....
Where ANY obama supporter said we can win without ANY clinton supporters.

Never happened.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:32 PM
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64. I've seen many here at DU say we can win without the tiny fraction here...
Edited on Mon May-19-08 05:13 PM by ClassWarrior
...who claim to be HRC supporters and say they won't vote for Obama. I've NEVER seen anyone here say we can't win without ANY of her voters. Probably because that'll never happen that way anyway, so that'd be a stupid thing to say.

:eyes:

NGU.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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43. There will be a small percentage
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:06 PM by DearAbby
the "Clinton or nothing" crowd, sort of like the 22% Koolaid drinkers, who still approve of the Chimp. They are not the majority of the party. They will either stay home, or vote for third party, some may even vote McCain.

But in the real world, outside this board and others on the interwebs, Democrats will vote the party...and do it gladly. The alternative would be disastrous.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:11 PM
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47. I agree. An insignificant number, imo.
But this poll says a plurality of DUers don't agree with us.

Why?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM
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53. Very heated primary...
We are political junkies....I come here to get my daily fix :-D
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:10 PM
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46. no he won`t
but 99% of hillary people will vote for obama....after all they are democrats are`t they?
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briv1016 Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:16 PM
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49. I think come June 3rd
we all need to just hug it out. (refer to sig) :hug: :grouphug: :pals:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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50. They're sure doing their damnedest to bring him down
Well, the 5% douchebag fucknuggets here are, anyway.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:31 PM
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63. I know. They may end up costing him dozens of votes.
:crazy:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 PM
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51. I think he will need...
all the votes he can get. I was an Edwards supporter, but have always said that I will vote for and support our party's nominee, and I am going to, I hope the vast majority of Dems feel this way also. If a segment of our party's voters decide to stay out of it or switch sides I'm afraid we won't win in November.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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52. Yes...and he'll win even bigger with their votes. .nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:24 PM
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57. Talking like sexists and calling your opponents racists is what the kids call a "major fuck-up."
Edited on Mon May-19-08 04:27 PM by Perry Logan
I notice even some of the brighter Obamites are beginning to realize this.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:29 PM
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62. So is whining like a bitty baby
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:25 PM
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58. I reject your premise. All real Dems will vote for the Dem nominee.
Of coure, the trolls wish to convince us otherwise.

NGU.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:26 PM
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59. Remember the "Nobody But Dean" people?
Yeah, they will come around, after the party forces Hillary to tell them to. (Although Dean wasn't forced, because loves what the party stands for.)
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:28 PM
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60. Yes. Because at that point they will be OBAMA SUPPORTERS
the bitterness brigade will end.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:28 PM
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61. IF her supporters don't vote for Obama, then yes - he'll lose.
We can't have 48% of the party not vote, and expect to win.

With that said - I think by October most will come around and hold their noses and vote for him. They HATE him right now for taking away Hillary's spot on the top of the ticket - but once we whittle this down to Obama v. McCain - they will quickly realize that they have many more reasons to hate McCain.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:52 PM
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66. Her supporters will vote for Obama.. No doubt.
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