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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:55 AM
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Clinton's accusation of sexism might be more ingenuous and positive if
if she used it as an opportunity to meaningfully address the very real sexism that ordinary women across the country face in their lives rather than focusing almost exclusively on how it has supposedly impacted HER in this campaign.

Frankly, most women I know would LOVE to be in Clinton's place - wealthy, powerful, educated, protected, a member of one of the world's most exclusive clubs, unlikely to be physically abused (and protected from it by 24-7 armed federal agents). Not being nominated president is not the worst fate that can befall a woman in this country. Whatever you think of Hillary Clinton, she is NOT a victim. She is a pioneer who has paved the way for countless other women who will follow her and who, thanks to her (and others, as well) will have a much easier way on their journey.

I think it is very unfortunate that the discussion of sexism in this race has been pretty much all about Clinton and how it has affected her and not how sexism affects women in society.

She should take a cue from Obama. To his credit, he has never used racism as an excuse for any setback in this campaign, even when pushed to do so. And whenever he could not possibly avoid talking about race, he always turned it away from him and used it as an opportunity to discuss race and racism as it impacts this country, not how it affects him personally.

If she really is interested in addressing sexism, Clinton should consider approaching it the way that Obama has approached racism. Instead of complaining that sexism has held HER back, she should shift the focus to how sexism holds back women who don't have the privileges, opportunities, platform and powers that she has. She can make a real contribution if she takes this approach. Otherwise, she and some of her supporters are in danger of appearing to be tone-deaf, self-centered and disconnected people who care only about sexism as far as it affects their own lives.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 AM
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1. Hillary can never address gender issues truthfully. She is a professional victim.
Her entire life is built around appealing to women as a representative victim of "the boys." That is who she is.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 AM
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2. Maybe she would think this way if it weren't all about her.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 AM
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3. I believe she tried to do this after MSNBC called Chelsea
a pimp. The problem is, the media took it as a joke.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:02 AM
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4. What?
When David Shuster said that Chelsea was being "pimped out" (it was Hillary he was calling a pimp), Shuster was suspended - hardly a joke. Moreover, I don't recall Hillary making an effort at that point to elevate the incident to a discussion on sexism in America. Maybe I missed it - What specifically did she do?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:08 AM
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6. Obama shill David Shuster was suspended for that attack
Imagine if it was an attack on Obama? They'd have burned the offender at the stake.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:12 AM
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7. lol
Obama shill "He....ordered ORANGE JUICE!!!!!!" I remember Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough (both of whom I dislike, so I hate using them as a source) saying that the Hillary campaign and corporate sponsors always threaten to get MSNBC people fired . Tucker once went off and said "I want to know what their standards are for who deserves to be fired. I want to know." I think a lot of them were sensitive after the David Shuster thing. In some cases, I think that MSNBC should definitely be scolded, and in other cases, I think it is overblown. I still can't believe that they let Pat "a brief for whitey" stay on the air.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:18 AM
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9. Actually, it was Hillary who asked that Shuster not be fired
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:17 AM
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8. Yes and then Tweety turned around and called her "babe"
and then came the O talking points about Hillary being "emotional" and "periodical." remember those?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:04 AM
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5. This was in the memos as the last talking points
Marching order #4: the Victim Defense - claim victimhood and misogyny at every possible remaining turn. Repeat at every chance the concept that the only reason there is any opposition to the Clinton camp is because there is a female candidate. Question the loyalty of women to their mothers, sisters and daughters and accuse men of not being capable of understanding. Should a citizen still insist on using rebuttals like "but that is the opposite of actual feminism or equality", disengage by using stock Escape Clauses such as "It's not worth talking to you", or old classics like "You just aren't capable of opening your mind."

So, when you get these circular arguments, empty assertions and dismissive comments from folks like Alegre and others who seem to be too far into their candidate's KoolAid to make any logical sense, consider that you may have found a Parrot simply reading from a songsheet as opposed to citizens actually engaging in discussion. Mark the find in your field book and share your discovery with your fellow Parrot Watchers!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/18/43439/3041/913/517751
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:20 AM
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10. It would a really good idea for Obama
to address sexism and womans rights, preferably at the beginning of june when things are coming to a close. I dont think he has to, but it would go a long way with some of the hillary supporters who are angry
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:23 AM
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11. I agre. It would also be nice if Hillary addressed racism
Or at least stopped claiming that racism has had no role in this race.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:30 AM
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12. Since she started as FRONTRUNNER, she cannot claim sexism! Ipso facto.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:30 AM
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13. It's embarrassing that Hillary won't drop out w/ class. She's whining & stomping her feet.
On Countdown last night, Jonathon Alter said that the game right now is to let Hillary come to term with her 'feelings'. Her behaviour in the race right now is insulting to all women, and will make it much harder for the next woman presidential candidate to be taken seriously. All the other candidates who dropped out bit the bullet, left the race, and went home to heal their wounds. Hillary needs to step up to the plate and deal with this like all the men dealt with it.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:57 AM
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14. What Bull - Obama played the race card to "consolidate" AA's and chg subject from NH win - Hill's
media/blog/DU anti women in great power expose is as valid as the objection to the token light colored black in the first floor street window office in the early 60's.
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