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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:45 AM
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Have men been discriminated against?
Look at the history of all nomination contests and elections since the beginning of this country.

How many women have ever been defeated in the nominee selection process? How many men?

How many women have ever been defeated in the General Election? How many men?

See, more men have lost than women, and by an overwhelming degree!! There, it's proved: men are discriminated against in the political process.

It doesn't work that way does it?
The above comparison is odious and makes no sense.


But, it's the same kind of an argument being made by several posters in the last couple of days in which they attempt to justify their self-centered, self-aggrandizing, self-destructive threats to withdraw their support of Senator Obama in the General Election.

I cannot coerce anyone, male or female, into supporting a candidate they do not wish to support. Luckily, I don't have to - I sincerely believe that people can make the best choices from the alternatives available to them, and that's NOT John McCain.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:47 AM
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1. it's not about penises and vaginas...it's righties versus left handers
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:49 AM
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2. You're a goddamn liar
It's about skinny vs. fat

:P
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:00 AM
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5. I love my Mac.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:52 AM
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3. Only wealthy white males.
:sarcasm:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:56 AM
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4. Just look at commercials and you'll see the sexism demonstrated towards men....
especially white men in their 30s.

It makes me very uncomfortable to watch the ads that think it's funny to portray the husband or father as stupid, forgetful, irresponsible, child-like, and incapable.

I don't know why groups have not protested this. If they consistently portrayed women with thouse qualities, there would be a freak-out of epic proportions.

My husband is not like that, and it makes me angry that his demographic is portrayed as incapable idiots.

The commercial that REALLY ticks me off is the V-8 one where the wife smacks her husband in the head--repeatedly--just because he did not drink the beverage of her choice. This is NOT funny. They would not dare reverse the roles and have a man strike his wife in the head because she wasn't drinking what he was drinking.

I don't agree wtih your support/evidence for your premise, but I do agree with your premise.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:03 AM
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6. So true
Just think of Paul Reiser in Mad About You. He was the most emasculated, scared little dork. He had to ask his wife what food he liked. He was left alone one weekend and kept calling his wife every 2 minutes to find this or that. So stupid. And he was put up as the poster child for what a man should be. No thanks.

And just about every dad on a sitcom is portrayed as stupid and clueless, following orders from the wife.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:12 PM
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9. I think that has to do with the relative power positions involved.
It's acceptable for a "weak" woman to hit a man--the subtext is that she's not strong enough to hurt him--and it's safe to portray him as incompetent because "everyone knows" the male is really in charge, so it's funny, while if the man calls the woman stupid it's just cruel because it hits too close to home. The mere fact that we tolerate this asymmetry of acceptable behavior is evidence of the woman's inferior position, just as is the fact that traditional power-roles actually have less freedom associated with them than do roles of less power. Judges have to wear robes and maintain a solemn, dignified demeanor, while people of less-powerful classes are allowed to engage in various forms of undignified behavior. Likewise, women are permitted to wear slacks, but men are proscribed from wearing dresses.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:04 AM
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7. YES!
Many many women over the years have discriminated against me when I've attempted to date them and sleep with them. They let other guys do it to them, but not me. Clear discrimination.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:27 AM
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8. I am a male
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:33 AM by nichomachus
and recently worked in a large operation where everyone in any kind of supervisory or managerial position was a woman. Want to talk about sexism? Holy crap! The only way you could succeed as a male employee -- and there weren't that many of us -- was to become infantalized. We had one guy who got everything he wanted, but because he acted like a nine-year-old kid. So, all the women treated him like their son or kid brother. If you were competent, intelligent, had experience, or acted professional, you got seriously beat up. It was nothing but a collection of all-female cliques, with all the petty infighting that goes along with that. It was like being stuck in seventh grade at a girl's boarding school. I finally quit.

On edit: I've worked for women before. There are three women who were my bosses in the past with whom I'm still good friends. So, my bad experience wasn't just because I couldn't work with women. In fact, I never had a problem working with women until I went into that all-female environment. I wasn't alone. There are a lot of women there who can't take it either, but they can't afford to quit. The benefits were good, and in this day and age, you take health care where you can find it. If I needed the health care coverage, I'd probably still be there.

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