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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:13 AM
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Hillary's popular vote count proven to be completely bogus per ABC
According to ABC, the popular vote count that Hillary is using is based on absolutely no merit. If you do the popular vote correctly, she isn't ahead even counting Florida and Michigan. We need to spread this word so that people will stop believing her "misstatement" about being ahead according to this metric.

"The Holes in Clinton's "Popular Vote" Argument
May 20, 2008 9:58 AM

It's one of Sen. Hillary Clinton's last arguments -- she's ahead in the popular vote, she should be the nominee, even though she has won fewer delegates.

"Right now more people have voted for me than have voted for my opponent,” Clinton told Kentuckians recently. “More people have voted for me than for anybody ever running for president before."

One problem with these claims -- they don't appear to be true.

The problem is not Clinton mendacity. The problem is that popular vote tallies are woefully wrong.

The Iowa Democratic Party reported that 236,000 voters turned out for the Iowa caucuses on January 3. So why does the Associated Press tally only record 1,677 votes?

ABC News' Polling Director Gary Langer takes a look at this issue, and with his team attempts a good-faith effort to assess what the real popular vote numbers likely were.

Read it HERE: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/05/counting-the-vo.html

The bottom line: Sen. Barack Obama likely won the popular vote as well -- even with those disputed contests in Michigan and Florida counting.

Anyone concerned with what the real popular vote tallies were -- and not just bragging rights or talking points -- should check out Langer's analysis."

Links:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/the-holes-in-cl.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/05/counting-the-vo.html
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 AM
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1. But if you add up the number in her social security number, they are higher than Obamas
Its over Obama. Quit allready.
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nonobadfish Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:16 PM
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11. Only if you add in the dashes!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:40 AM
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2. Well ABC then shouldnt list their popular vote numbers the way they do
The first numbers they list include Florida and Michigan. As of 3 weeks ago, they only listed the numbers that include FL and MI. I dont think they are in a position to judge.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:14 PM
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3. Clinton must be counting people that take up 2 chairs as 2 people ..... n/t
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:32 PM
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9. No, the number of votes for each candidate are multiplied by the age of each voter
Edited on Tue May-20-08 12:33 PM by corkhead
giving her a much higher total
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:15 PM
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4. Yet another Clinton lie! What the hell is wrong with the Clintons? Have they no shame? n/t
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:20 PM
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5. The "popular vote" argument is not going to sway politically sophisticated SD's
so I am not quite sure what the purpose of the deceptive meme is from the Clinton campaign point of view.

Simply to cause hard feelings among the deluded faithful and damage party unity?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:22 PM
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6. she lies with a straight face, reminds me of someone else
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:28 PM
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7. Clinton's been doing funny math all along...
she's become such an embarrassment.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:29 PM
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8. here's a great link for all of the stats at a glance
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

they get a popular vote lead of 83K for Obama, not far off abc's number.

Hillary's claim is as dishonest as the rest of her life.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:32 PM
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10. kick
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:17 PM
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12. kick
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:28 PM
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13. more people have voted for me than for anybody ever running for president before..
yeah... you can even ask my beautiful wife, morgan fairchild.

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