All this faux concern over Florida & Michigan is just so touching

As a Florida resident, it really is so nice to see all these Hillary supporters jumping to our defense. I know that this truly has everything to do with making sure that every vote counts, and that it doesn't have anything at all to do with squeezing out every last vote for Hillary. After all, we're a genuine primary state, not one of those sham caucus states.

The one thing that really puzzles me is why y'all waited so long to come to our defense. After all, the DNC made the decision to strip our delegates long before we even went to the polls. Of course, back then I'm sure that Hillary didn't think that she would really need Florida & Michigan to win, although it would have been nice to have them. But why wasn't Hillary and her campaign making the rounds demanding that our vote be counted before our primary? Who knows, maybe if Hillary had voiced her strong opposition to the DNC decision right after it had been made, or perhaps even been active in campaigning for our rights before the DNC made its decision, we wouldn't be having this discussion?

Why did Hillary and her supporters wait so long to fight for us?


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before they were for you.
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"disenfranchised."

Many of us wrote letters to the DNC with our concerns. Not that they care what the people think though.

And sorry, it wasn't Howard Dean.

That's what really counts. Seems kind of convenient to wait until after the fact to fight for those votes.

it's all a fu*king show with her.

Look up the word "faux" in the dictionary.

If it were a REAL concern, then Hillary would have been voicing her strong opposition before and after the DNC stripped our delegates. NOT waiting until after she really needed Florida & Michigan to stave off an opponent.

I'm so tired of people blaming others of lying by saying their concern is "faux" simply because they don't actually believe them.

It's lazy to use that term as a blanket for anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Hillary never said one damned word about "counting every vote" and seating the FL and MI delegates until it was clear that she might need them to hold off Obama. She did not speak up until AFTER both states had already had their primaries.

There was ample time before their primaries for Hillary to speak up. When the DNC was trying to figure out how to deal with the two states, Hillary could have spoken up then.

WHY DID SHE WAIT SO FUCKING LATE? Please, God, I have YET to hear one single rational reason for this!

http://www.cfnews13.com/Politics/FloridaDecides/2008/5/19/where_mccain_and_obama_will_be_this_week.html You'll note that we aren't really sure of Hillary's plans yet, but I'm sure she means well.

Hillblazers circa 2008:

Clinton of being a republican is despicable, even for you.

and the fact that you seem perfectly fine with that cheese is ((insert personal attack))

"I repeat: animal tranquilizer, blow dart and a net."

Support your candidate, but being demeaning in any way only reflects on your own shortcomings as a human being.

((insert personal attack on your shortcomings as a human being))

and opinions about anything posted here. If you don't know that, you are in the wrong place.

I didn't alert on your piece of shit post because I want everyone to see that you and other DUers have gone too far in making this primary personal.

I don't care what you think of Clinton's campaign style. I don't think much of Obama's style myself. But I have not posted anything personal about him. My objections have been reserved for the slimy supporters he seems to attract.

bah-bye

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... if Hillary and co. had been that concerned about the "plight" of the Florida and Michigan voters, why were these concerns not made public at the time of the DNC's decision to exclude the Florida and Michigan votes?

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"I want to thank all of my supporters and everyone I have met in Iowa over the past 11 months. I am in awe of your commitment to the WONDERFUL TRADITION OF THE CAUCUSES. Now they are here, and I hope that on January 3, you will stand up and be counted for me."

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything." - Hillary Clinton, before the MI primary

"I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. " - Hillary Clinton, after the MI primary

Why did Hillary wait until after the primaries before deciding that their delegates should be seated?

As for your "disenfranchised" comment, please show me in the Constitution where it guarantees citizens the right to vote in party primaries. You know damned well that each political party sets their own nominating rules. In this case, FL and MI were warned ahead of time, and they ignored that. Maybe you'd prefer to have no rules whatsoever, but that's not how it's set up.

But please, before you address the 2nd paragraph, answer my question. Because I have YET to see any of you answer that.

understand why you would side with party fat cats over the millions of people who voted and now are having their voices snuffed out.

The first couple days of June the voters voices will be retored and delegates will be apportioned, will you be fighting that outcome?

If not, why are you fighting it now? Step into the world where the people's voice counts and the party bigwigs defer to the will of the

people.

So I guess you honestly think that there should be no rules whatsoever. States should be allowed to move their primaries up as early as possible, in never-ending process to out-do each other. You do realize that there were talks about some state (I forget which one) possibly moving their primary to December before the DNC put their foot down.

Fuck the rules. Hell, I'm going to suggest that Florida hold its primary immediately after the inauguration! Let's get that head start on 2012!

However, I note that it's mostly, if not all, Obama supporters who were afraid of putting together a re-vote. Last winter, Clinton at least tried to do that. Obama was against it. Well, it's his conscience, I guess.