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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:22 PM
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Let's be honest, Obama doesn't stand a chance in WV or Kentucky.
And it has nothing to do with Obama's policies, their love of Clinton or economic conditions. It has everything to do with the fact he is a black man. Exit polls have shown this and whether you buy Obama has a white problem or not, he doesn't do nearly as bad in other states outside of this region of the country.

It's not something I'm happy over, but we can't kid ourselves anymore. As much as we want to ignore the prospects of racism in politics, we can't, not in some parts of this country. The South is still a very divisive place and while I have no doubt progress has been made and there are some people fighting their hearts out to change this stigma, it's still a reality.

The good news, of course, is that Obama still runs fairly well in a few southern states in the general and should make up for those struggles in the midwest and western United States. But as for Kentucky and West Virginia, it is a lost cause and it isn't because they don't like his policies or economic platform.

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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:23 PM
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1. WV and Kentucky are unlikely Dem wins in November in any case
McCain will take them, regardless of who our candidate is.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:24 PM
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2. Patience brother.....patience......


How in the General Election, Character will Trump Melanin


have picked up on the fact that many Americans are asking themselves and each other; can Obama win a General Election? Whether the question comes with a doubting sneer from his fervent detractors, or quietly within the minds of his thoughtful supporters, the question is undeniably being pondered from sea to shining sea.

An affirmative answer does not come easily, and is as complex as the question being asked.

In terms of electability, Obama has all of what is needed in a winning candidate. he is popular, youthful and vigorous, has a wonderful telegenic family, a committed sense of optimism and gives the kind of speeches that other politicians can only dream of. His platform is sound, and his consistent theme for change is what a majority of Americans are currently clamoring for. Whether by virtue of his silky booming voice or his superior GOTV organization which is quickly becoming legendary, Obama is a superior candidate in every measurable way. Not sullied from overstaying the Washington mentality, he is the ultimate Hopemonger. His fund raising apparatus and his total campaign strategy will be studied for years to come. In other words, he is the dream candidate that any party would be happy to have as its leader.

His opponent, who's biggest claim to fame is a past era war hero resume is in reality old, grey, physically unfit, and ideologically passe. McCain can barely fill a room with his fraudulent "out of the box trapped in the bigger box" speeches, and is a member of a party hopeless linked to a most unpopular President. Sen. McCain voted for war, and has shown no insight to be proud of in the promotion of peace. His domestic views, when closely examined spell not "Change", but more of the same dismal failures enacted by the current President.

And so one has to get to the truth as to why the initial question about Sen. Obama is asked as often as it is; can Sen. Obama beat Sen. McCain and win the presidency?

I submit, that in fact, the only reason some still insist that Sen. Clinton or Sen. McCain may be more electable; has nothing to do with anything more than the content of melanin in Obama's skin.

It is known that Americans tend to vote into the White House, the candidate that they believe in their mind, will be welcomed in their living rooms for 4 years. And due to this simplistic method of assessing an election, there are some with doubts that Barack Obama will be chosen as that one.

But I suggest that simply put, the answer is Yes; Barack Obama can and will win the general election and become the 44th President of the United States.

How I came to my pronouncement is simple and complicated at the same time. You see, Americans, just like people everywhere do see beyond color, in particular in respect to someone they get to know. Once the melanin factor is diminished, for those who have an initial lack of comfort with it, the question then becomes what is left for those people to see in Obama? The answer was quoted by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. years ago, in his famous "I have a Dream" speech; the content of his character.

Obama has to-date received the votes of those who have not had to battle hard over the tall walls of prejudice. While many saw Obama's character long ago, many other saw it in short order.

It is the rest of the people, those for whom it will take more time to allow melanin to fade before they see the depths of his character, who will determine the candidacy conclusion of Barack Obama.

Those Americans will have six months to get to know Barack Obama; six months to witness his character "up close". I strongly believe that Sen. Obama will be successful largely getting this accomplished, as Barack Obama really is an extraordinary man. That is evidenced by the mere fact that he stands before us today--because the odds that this would be the case have not favored him since his father met his mother.

Take to heart and understand that he represents the country that we should be. If he, a person of mixed ancestry, for whatever reason cannot transcend the prejudice that exists in this country, then we are not who we say we are, and we will have to deal with that.

But be reassured that I have faith in us as a people. Perhaps because I myself am of mixed race, and emigrated (him from Hawaii to Chicago, me from France to California) and I truly understand what the gifts of intelligence and charisma and foresight can do in reference to those around you.

And so it is with my own personal experience in mind, that I humbly suggest.....Barack's character will shine through the exterior veneer composed of his melanin by a majority of Americans in more than enough time. And that is why Barack Obama can and will win the general election.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_frenchie_080517_how_in_the_general_e.htm
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:24 PM
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3. Lets face it that those states have gone for Repugs in the last
elections......that's the story.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:24 PM
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4. It's not part of his strategy to win those 2 states, anyway. They usu. vote red, anyway. nt
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:25 PM
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5. Against McCain, anything is possible
can you imagine what the debates will be like???
If anything it's gonna be hilarious.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 PM
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6. Oh I expect he'll win, but he won't take Kentucky.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 PM
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7. Nobody seems to care that he beat her by 35 points in Colorado
And that state is more of a swing state than WV or KY will ever be, and more electoral votes than either one of them.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:27 PM
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8. Until some of these dumshits realize they are in the same sinking ship as blacks
they will continue to be exploited. The blacks have figured it out but these dumfucks are still fooled by the god gays and guns bullshit while the "haves" bend them over a barrel and slam it to them.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:27 PM
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9. These people admit how race played into their decision, how many didn't admit to it??
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:29 PM
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11. That's the scary part.
Even if it's only 10% of the other votes, that's 31% of Hillary's support that came from people who didn't vote for Obama because he's black.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:28 PM
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10. That's what annoys me about the pundits
they act as if Obama had a chance in those states. He didn't just b/c of race. They simply weren't going to vote for him.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:30 PM
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12. Never did ,with THOSE people.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:31 PM
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13. Too stupid to vote in their self-interest...
Write them off.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:33 PM
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14. Perhaps this is the calculation Obama made. How bad would it have been if...
Obama had campaigned heavily in those states and still ended up with these margins? That was the fear, I think. I guess the question is whether Obama's folks knew they were going to lose by these margins.

Personally I think it was a mistake to bypass these states. I think Obama would have got about 10 points closer at least in each, but who knows. Perhaps I'm wrong and his staff is right.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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16. I think he wanted to run the score up in Oregon and get a start on Montana and SD.
She'll have her moment, but she won't take any more states.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM
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18. DING DING DING!!!! Imagine what Harold Ford, Joe S. and Pat would be saying
about him if he campaigned there heavily and still lost, which he would have because of racism. They would be roasting him because he really has a "white, working class problem". Barack is smart. He knows what he's doing.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:33 PM
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15. Obama needs to not neglect the parts of states where voters feel left out....
I agree with Harold Fold on MSNBC right now talking to Joe Coffee Cup. When you think you are left out, you vote against someone. Like I said, Obama needs to not forget NE Florida like he has done with Kentucky and WV. There is a large black population here but he has practically ignored them. Also, there is a liberal white vote to the town south of Jax, and he is ignoring them, too. Instead, he is in Tampa and Orlando and West Palm. No, he needs to act like he cares and understands EVERYONE. For once, Joe is right!

For me, I am having to drive to the middle of the state just to see him since he won't come here. Not everyone can do that!

Listen up, Obama staffers. Court the fringes.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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17. and we all know why
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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19. I disagree.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:40 PM
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20. Thank you for being honest.
I wish we could educate these people, they seem so hardened in their beliefs.
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