Thank you, Sen. Obama - very nice tribute to Clinton

in his speech. And the crowd in Iowa was very warm.

I'd be quite surprised if it were the other way around. By the end of this night, Obama will be only about 60-65 delegates from 2025. Hillary will be about 245-250 delegates from that number. I just don't see a scenario where she gets 150+ of the remaining SDs.

Just my opinion.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Not so much. But who knows, perhaps she doesn't kill his new politics message and all the rest. I just don't see that any more.

Regardless, Hillary has a fairly large power base. She certainly can use this in a variety of ways. She should be able to pretty much force a rewrite of the nomination process rules. She has the authority in the senate to speak for women and working class voters in ways nobody else can. Whether she is a good match for a VP slot is a different question altogether, but who knows, perhaps you're right.

My guess is Obama will base his determination on whether or not she helps him win more than the other top choices. She certainly has a lot going for her.

"She certainly has a lot going for her."

at the beginning of March, or even right after Texas. I just think it has waned since then. Not her appeal to different voting blocks, but other things, which we all have discussed in many many other threads.

What to do?

Strongest ticket is EITHER O - C or C - O

I know now it would have to be O - C but that's OK.

Still standin' --

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady

I don't really think its the strongest ticket at this point. But I do have full confidence in Obama's decision making capability. If he feels it is, than I'm all for it.

Would the people who won't vote for Barack -- vote for him if Hillary is added as VP?

Conversely, what about an Obama-Clinton ticket vis-a-vis McCain and ???

Doing it in the DU would be anti-climactic. We're too involved. We have to poll the general populace.

with hispanics and galvanizing a large woman base. The concern is whether she hurts him too much among independents and republicans.

If they were doing a logical calculation (I expect them too), my guess is they would be looking at the states where independents play a large role, and then attempt to determine whether Hillary's base can overcome that in key states that Obama's map is targeting (colorado, Georgia, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, etc.)

help get us united. Right now, I am deeply concerned that Obama alone will be shredded by the GOP machine.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I just have a sense that both of them would be STRONGER than each of them ALONE (despite the addition of any other candidates who ran). She is in second place. She beat out all of the other white males. That's STRENGTH, folks.

If there was only one place in this contest, Obama would be first. It certainly looks that way. But Hillary would be the runner-up (who takes over if the winner is unable to continue.) Talk about the message of a beauty contest -- but it holds in other fields, too.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

Hillary spoke very well of Obama too..

:shrug: am I right?

We are getting down to several crucial moments in this campaign. They have to play out, and they will.

You are right.

Whatever happens, I am fully pledged to support the Democrats, whoever is on their ticket.

He really has the right of it. Love or hate Hillary, she really has broken down the glass ceiling, and will be remembered for it.

would stop for a second and appreciate how historic this race is, and be grateful for BOTH candidates.

they come together as much as humanly possible.

I love it.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread.

I'm going to K&R it.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

I just don't think she's the best choice. My fav is Sebelius, but that's another thread.

Just my opinion.

I don't know anyone else who would give me the proper fire in my belly that Hillary Clinton would.

Biden? Maybe.

Edwards? Sorry, not for me. For the personal reason that his wife has a big fight ahead of her.

In my mind that leaves choices like Richardson or Sebelius. Both are eminently qualified, both would help Obama with regions of the country, voting blocks, and shore up some of his weaknesses. Neither would really give negatives that cause folks not to support the ticket.

No one has really defined change.

It's a change of race.

It's a change of gender.

That's DEFINITELY CHANGE...

Peacefully,

Radio Lady

The issue is the negatives that Hillary brings. I really think the negatives were very minor until the race got significantly nastier. Hillary will take on a staring role in McCain's ads if she's on the VP. Worse, Obama will be questioned whether his whole change message is a fantasy, considering he's cast Hillary (rightly or wrongly) as the candidate representing the past.

Neither of these things are positives. But again, perhaps these are minor in comparison to the sheer excitement both candidates bring from their respective bases.

bases." I really like that.

I don't know Gov. Sebelius. (Is she related to the composer?) I saw her once on TV and was not impressed. To me, she is an unknown. Love him or hate him, Barack Obama is still largely unknown to much of the public.

Clinton has a BIG base... we know her (love HER or HATE HER...).

They both bring GOOD qualities to the table.

I can't see it any other way. It's a real nailbiter, and I am not going to vote for McCain and whoever he supports.

I thought her speech approach was a terrific counterpoint to Obama's. Her measured, deliberate style came across as very competent and "executive-like" for lack of a better word.

And yeah, you may be right that Obama decides the combined base excitement cancels the negatives. I just don't know that I see that right now.

Hillary deserves a chance. She has earned it. She's gotten millions of votes and raised millions of dollars.

Obama is the winner. You've got it. Maybe questionable electability, but we would have to swallow hard and vote. Anyone new? Forget it!

Clinton is the runner-up. That's for sure. She beat out all those other white men who ran against her. Don't bring them up again -- they're losers (to use the vernacular).

If this were a beauty contest (God forbid!) she would stand in second place if something happens to the winner for the next four years.

Starting to sound like a good VP choice?

Start to use this analogy and it just begins to make sense.

People here think these guys take every little thing as personally as we do - it's just not true. They'd never rise to this level of politics if they did.

Hillary has racked up some real negatives in regards to the VP spot now. I don't think this thread is the right place to rehash those, but I think you know the points I would raise.

Regardless, I think Obama and his folks will make a reasoned decision. Hillary certainly has a lot going for her, so she's clearly on the short list. If he decides she gives him the best chance and they agree they could govern, I'm more than fine with it.

Combined, they bring a lot of constituencies.

each others's positives, whereas other VP candidates might not.

But I certainly agree that Hillary helps in the Midwest and Florida, with women, Hispanics and low-income voters, so she will definitely be considered.

Sebelius would be my choice. She brings:

Solid executive experience, and is recognized as one of the nation's best governors
Appeals to independents and republicans
Raises prospects in western states, which fits Obama's map
Raises prospects in Ohio, since her father used to be Governor there
Helps with a voting block - women (not nearly as much as Hillary does, obviously)

She really doesn't have negatives that hurt her, so its a pure plus-up.

In Hillary's case, we're left with two senators who don't have executive experience. Hillary doesn't help Obama out west, has high negatives with independents and republicans and again, has many public utterances which will be used against Obama in the GE. I mentioned her positives in another post - I won't repeat them here, but clearly she has bunches.

Richardson also would work:

He has foreign policy experience and executive experience
He helps in the west
He brings in Hispanics

And again, Richardson doesn't have real negatives. My guess is the white males who would be upset with voting for a hispanic wouldn't be voting for Obama anyways.

Being in VA, I'm sort of biased. I really would like to leave him where he is. Those not in VA don't realize how improbable it was for him to win. It took an insanely bad incumbent. And even then, we were treated to non-stop "Webb hates women" ads that drew from his speeches and writings of the 80s, and the silly attacks on his fiction books.

If Obama picks Webb, if I were McCain, I would not hesitate to pick a woman. It really would be a terrific counter - one I don't think we should give him.

lol.

Did you see the Obama - Edwards numbers in Survey USA? Webb would add even more to the ticket, imo.

to vote Democratic is just good vibes for the country. But remember it is not enough to vote, as Thom Hartman says Democracy begins with you TAG, YOU'RE IT!!:patriot:

we will remember it again. Obama supporters knock Hillary for being unreasonably nasty, but truly, many candidates get down and dirty. Her husband certainly did to Tsongas. I can see the argument that some of the anger is because its a woman doing it this time, but I really think the basis of the problem is that supporters on both sides just truly care about their candidates far more than in years past.

Lets face it - Hillary supporters are far more dedicated than any other candidates supporters since RFK. With the exception of Obama's supporters, of course. Had Hillary run in 2004, my guess is she would have won easily over Kerry and company.

I know how hard you've been fighting for Clinton. I'm impressed with both of you.

if by fighting, you mean arguing with a bunch of other dumbasses on the internet :P


But I've never disliked Obama, and I've long said either one of them would make great candidates and great presidents.

Of all the starting candidates, these were my top two. I settled on Clinton, and still believe she's the best candidate, but I won't be heartbroken if Obama wins.

But I would love to see them run together!

(..... usually I can't see your posts, but signature lines are turned off...)

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

a mutually-enforced ignore. How you got it, I'll never know. I started a thread saying "Monkeyfunk reviews Rendition" and you got it locked and then I was on ignore. It was absurd and insane.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

but too late to recommend :(

Great post!

Of course I'm more interested in us coming together to celebrate something historic and unique than getting recs.

Think about it, regardless of outcome, it was Democrats who made this happen not republicans. We have done something special and should be proud of ourselves.

but...not to be.

:shrug:

just once in a great while, let's remember we're all democrats, and how historic this race is.

and those that will stand quietly by. We have no choice we are one.

I am not standing quietly by.

I went on the road for Democrats very early.

I voted and my vote counted tonight in Oregon.

Thank you for letting me vote.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

PS: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

If you're going away, do so. Please take the sorry ass poor losing bastards with you.

Y'all kinda fucked up, see.

This is politics. The Clintons said it themselves. If you're not voting democrat say it now, Perry.

I'm absolutely voting Democrat. But you guys have lost us the White House, I'm quite sure.

An Obama-Clinton ticket I am for.

:rofl:

You're beautiful! Thanks,man.

:hug:

you need spanked :evilgrin:

:applause:

they cannot attack each other now. It would be unnecessary.

That still leaves "issues" that will come up in the May 31st hearing, if there is one. Those issues can be ignored by the presidential candidate, or faced squarely. Hillary Clinton is the runner-up. She beat out all the other men. In many contests, the runner up stands in for the president if he cannot serve. That sounds like a vice president to me. Please do not suggest that there is skullduggery or violence necessary for this to happen. It has happened before, and has been successful in several instances.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

I think he did a great job in lifting her up for all the good that she's done :)

We will be unified.

:P

10th K/R

I truly do!

Sen. Clinton shattered that barrier already, no matter what happens.

(shemaystillwinbutyoudidnthearitfromme). :hide:

The answer is, "You bet..."

As for the rest of it, let's play it out to the last crescendo.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

:shrug: am I right?