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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:55 PM
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Beyond Shameless: Debbie Wasserman Schultz LYING again on MSNBC
What on Earth have the Clintons promised this monster?

Josh Marshall on the popular vote argument:

"Even if you change the rules and fully seat Michaigan and Florida and count them for the popular vote totals and don't count any portion of the Michigan "uncommitted" (which were understood a the to be for Obama) vote for Obama, Hillary is still behind in the popular vote total. The only way she moves ahead in popular vote is if you do all that AND don't count four of the caucus states...Some stuff is just too ridiculous to let pass."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/196122.php


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:56 PM
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1. I kept thinking of the Gong Show..
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:57 PM
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3. you made my evening now if I had only had that image when I suffered through
her dellusional diatribe my god what is is with Florida's politicians?
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:03 PM
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11. it's gotta be something in the water
it's not just the politicians.

Fl has some good people.. but it honestly seems to have a disproportionately large number of idiots and assholes.
...at least in comparison with other places I've lived.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:56 PM
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2. Matthews dropped the ball on that one.
Are they really so math deficient that they can't remember that....even with Chuck Todd feeding them the numbers?

Sad.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 PM
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8. they want to keep some drama going for viewership
its like a football game that is over by half and the announcers keep talking about how they can come back, the losing team finally makes a first down and they talk about them turning it around.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:57 PM
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4. Edwards was still in the race in Michigan
so some of the uncommitted vote was his.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:57 PM
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5. It's the effing NEW MATH, and only Hillary's supporters use it!!
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2121
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:58 PM
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6. And complaining about the system being broken....
and calling for change in the nominating process for the next election.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 PM
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7. Turned it off cause I couldn't stomach her
another second, LIAR! :puke:
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:00 PM
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9. I just saw that! She should be ashamed of herself.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:02 PM
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10. They're all lying. Debbie, Hillary, McAwful. And the MSM allows it.
Nothing will change until Obama is in the WH.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:03 PM
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12. I just muted the TV when I saw her face. Heard it all before. /eom
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:04 PM
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13. Oldest Breaking News?
We can squeeze another forum in here.

Skinner?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:06 PM
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14. How the hell can you count caucus numbers towards
popular vote numbers? Two completely different things.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:10 PM
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16. But you can count a state where his name
wasn't on the ballot? Last I checked America STILL wasn't a third world country. And I hope you do come back to defend that line when they're itching to count the Puerto Rico vote in their totals, a population that can't even vote in the General. But let's ignore legitimate states because they choose to nomintate their delegates by caucus instead of primary. Yeah, just try to make that argument to the SD's. I'll be here, waiting, laughing. :)
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:17 PM
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22. The popular vote count isn't to hit some trigger that gives
someone the nomination. It is a metric that can be an important argument to make to the SD's and it may very well be persuasive.

Hillary has had more people voluntarily affirm their vote for her than any other candidate in this primary.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:19 PM
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25. I don't think that it is going to be relevant
sorry. Outstanding fundraising + delegate count = Obama nomination. It's over. :shrug:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:23 PM
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26. Well, your not a Superdelegate, so we get to see what they
think is important or relevant.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:29 PM
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27. Well we are seeing it, that's why they keep moving to his
column. But calm down, I know that we're going to get both of them. So stop trying to undermine Obama, let's call a truce and support a unity ticket. They're not taking it from Obama, simple as that. Let's assume they want both of them, and work to fight the real enemy, ok? :)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:16 PM
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20. And you are too blind to understand you just pointed out why Hillary's bullshit is so stupid
popular votes are different from caucus numbers and thus DON'T COUNT IN THE PRIMARY.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:19 PM
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24. Who says they do? No wonder you guys are so confused.
The popular vote is something for the SD's to consider.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:06 PM
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15. First, I'm going to vote for the Democratic candidate...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:09 PM by Sancho
This is what Wasserman is talking about (from Realpolitics):

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 16,894,523 47.3% 17,170,864 48.1% Clinton +276,341 +0.78%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,228,607 47.4% 17,394,726 47.8% Clinton +166,119 +0.46%

Of course, there are a zillion ways to recompute so it is not a perfect count.

At any rate, it is close. I'm a little more interested in the republicans and independents who have NOT been active in primaries but WILL vote in the general election. That is the group that will make the difference.

At least both candidates were talking unity. Neither will win the general election without a part of the base plus some crossover.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:11 PM
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18. link....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:11 PM
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17. Tweety got her to say Supers were elitist!!! I love it.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:12 PM
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19. Only way to stop this nonsense is for a Flood of Supers to go to Obama
if that doesn't happen. Clinton and crew will keep this up
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:16 PM
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21. What a disgraceful human being she is
Please, somebody find a primary opponent for her in 2010.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:18 PM
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23. This woman is an unmitigated menace to our party. Don't get me started.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D?-FL)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2978288&mesg_id=2979678


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2978288&mesg_id=2981140
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:37 PM
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28. She's a lieberDem, out campaigning for Florida Republicans.
She is teh awful. :puke:
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