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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:20 PM
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Why would someone vote for Clinton but not Obama?
I am asking a serious question. I'm sure there are legitimate reasons. I am talking general election so "He's not electable" is NOT a reason.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:21 PM
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1. because she's still in the race.
there are three more races to go.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:46 PM
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18. I'm saying in a general
My question is based on the exit polls that suggested just one third of Clinton supporters in Kentucky would vote for Obama. I certainly have no problem understanding primary voters voting for who they like better. But it seems odd that so few would vote for the nominee of the party whose primary they are voting in.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:21 PM
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2. Because they're asking the question as we near the end of a heated primary.
They will come around.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:22 PM
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3. Fools only, people that like NAFTA or Alan Greenspan
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:22 PM
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4. People here who claim that are simply republicans
in here stirring shit up.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 PM
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20. tons of people in exit polls as well n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:54 PM
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21. If it supports republicans and votes republican it is a republican.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:23 PM
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5. Some will vote republican in GE, and always planned to.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:23 PM
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6. Because they don't know what they're voting for
They vote likability, looks, name, gender, race, etc. They don't vote the issues. They don't understand the issues. They don't know why the issues they "support" would be best for the country.

The fact that Hillary wins the lesser-educated voters and the fact large numbers of her supporters would vote Mccain over Obama (a no-vote is a vote for Mccain) are not unrelated.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:24 PM
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7. Because they don't know what they're voting for
They vote likability, looks, name, gender, race, etc. They don't vote the issues. They don't understand the issues. They don't know why the issues they "support" would be best for the country.

The fact that Hillary wins the lesser-educated voters and the fact large numbers of her supporters would vote Mccain over Obama (a no-vote is a vote for Mccain) are not unrelated.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:25 PM
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8. I honestly don't know...anger, frustration, bruised ego? There is
simple no justification for sitting the GE out or voting for McCain. These two Democratic candidates are so close to eachother on policy. I suspect that many of the folks that vow to stay out or vote Republican will cool off and do the right thing. I hope so.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:27 PM
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9. Maybe, envy, jealous and
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:29 PM
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10. Damned if I know for sure, but...
from everything I hear it looks like Joe Sixpack showing his racism. But, who knows how accurate these accounts are?

Could be all those talking points circulated by the Limbaughciles are taking hold-- I've heard some strange things people still believe about Obama. Hillary's been around long enough that people have some idea who she is, but Obama's fairly new so the bullshit has a better chance to stick to him.






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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:31 PM
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11. To be painfully blunt....
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:31 PM by scheming daemons

For some, it's because he has a penis.


For some others, it's because he's half-black.


For some others, it's because he has a funny name.



But there is no reason...no REAL reason.... that any person calling themselves a Democrat should not have Obama and Clinton as #1 and #2, in either order, both distantly ahead of #3 McCain.


Any "Democrat" who would vote for McCain over EITHER of our two candidates is not really a Democrat.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:33 PM
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12. Actions speak LOUDER than BS.
BO is unelectable and his own voting record will prove HE is a hypocrite.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101004_pf.html

Enough said.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:35 PM
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13. Good for you
Spread those Republican talking points.

Won't it suck if it's you they send to the front lines of Iran when the draft comes to pass under Mccain
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:45 PM
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17. Ahhhh....that's BO's voting record. BO is what HE is, NOT what HE says HE is!!
THE EVIL RW's DEMOCRATIC Candidate destruction machine will chew BO up THEN spit him out.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:50 PM
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19. Unelectable is NOT a reason to not support someone in a GE
I'm asking what differentiates Clinton from Obama enough to make someone run to McCain?
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:38 PM
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14. Don't be an ass.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:55 PM
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23. How am I being an ass?
I want to know, for Clinton vaters, how McCain could be your second choice over Obama? I think that is a legitimate question and I'm certain there are legitimate answers. I'm sorry if you've been through to many re-hashings of this discussion.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:41 PM
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15. How can any Hillary supporter, vote for McCain?? McCain doesn't care about
have the shit Hillary does.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:42 PM
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16. Spite?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:54 PM
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22. the split in the party
The party has relied on a coalition over the last 35 years between the "socially liberal, economically conservative" people - suburban, more educated, more successful - who see politics mostly through the lens of the culture wars, and the "economically liberal, socially conservative people" who tend to be rural and blue collar and older.

Many see the Obama campaign as the ultimate expression of modern liberalism, of the faction that has been gaining power over the party for 3 decades now, and the Clinton campaign has become a protest against that.

Many Democrats are hanging by a thread and are becoming alienated. They have stayed with the party so long as they could hear the echoes of the past, when the party was a big tent that stood for economic justice rather than just modern liberal cultural causes, and so long as there was hope of being heard within the party and a chance to return the party to its roots.

Both parties are breaking apart, and the themes they have been using for 30 years have run their course and have no more hold on most of the voters. The country is trending strongly liberal, but that is causing a split between those who are first and foremost economically liberal, and those who are first and foremost socially liberal.

The socially liberal causes are highly charged emotionally, and this makes it very difficult for the two factions to talk to each other. We are probably seeing the high water mark of the upscale professional social liberalism movement, and the country is moving the other direction - toward economic liberalism. Even the Republicans ran a candidate on economically liberal themes, and that candidate got significant support.

What many of us are hearing from Obama and his supporters is an escalation of the culture wars, and a backing away from the battle over economics. What we hear from many Obama supporters is that they are the winners, the educated ones, the successful ones, the enlightened ones. This is moving the opposite direction from the general public, and we are starting to see the backlash, as represented by this odd and still surprisingly strong support for the Clinton candidacy.

When Obama supporters keep saying "she doesn't have a chance!" and "she should get out!" it is widening the split and reinforcing the suspicion many of us have that we are no longer welcome in the party, that we will not be heard anymore.
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