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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:46 PM
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Did anyone hear Fineman's analysis on MSNBC a few minutes ago?
It's all about May 31 and the committee meeting and everyone knows it will be Obama but the party is trying to find a way to get Clinton out without her blowing up the party.

Is that what I heard?

Seems like he was saying it depends on whether she plays hard ball with the FL and MI delegation and if she does, they will all declare for Obama.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:49 PM
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1. This feels like hostage negotiations with a crazy lady, talking her down with minimal damage.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:50 PM
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2. It's so tiresome.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:57 PM
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12. and rather pathetic too...nt
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:39 AM
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31. And you want her for VP? C'mon now.
We can do MUCH better than that. I'm not trying to stir something up, but I want Obama to run with who he wants to, someone he can trust.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:50 PM
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4. Thats a pretty accurate description
:thumbsup:
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 PM
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5. That's exactly what he said & this is exactly what it feels like
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:54 PM
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7. My thoughts exactly.
I'm surprised. Now I'm not sure why, but after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries I thought that Clinton would handle her climb-down with more grace. But tonight it just seems like she doesn't care what happens in November. It's all about her.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:56 PM
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10. Wow! You totally hit the nail on the head! That's exactly how I've been feeling -- held hostage.
As I once posted: I'm sick of being held hostage by Clinton's ego. She will hold her breath until her face turns blue in order to get her way.

:D
sw
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:56 PM
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11. She shot herself in the foot. Now she's holding the other one hostage and making demands.
:dunce:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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13. No kidding. She gives women everywhere a bad name. -eom
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:39 PM
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19. Well Here's A Chance For Obama To Put His Money Where His Mouth Is.......
and talk to the enemy. Hmmmm.... Appeasement maybe? Is Hilliary forcing him to do something like this so the Repugs can say that how will he be able to talk to Amindinajad and negotiate - if he can't even work through this with Hilliary. Is this part of her plan to make him look bad and lose to McCain so she can run again in 2012?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:05 AM
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22. She could at least release the women and children as a show of good faith.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:25 AM
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25. oh. my.
Cappuccino on the keyboard.... not good...:rofl:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:29 AM
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27. I'll second that
:spray:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:43 AM
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32. But it looks like this


;-)
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:44 AM
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33. Hillary is not crazy.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:50 PM
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3. May 31
I fear that at the meeting the DNC will say no to FL and MI and Hillary will then use that as an excuse to appeal the decision to the credentials committee, dragging it our for longer.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:55 PM
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9. wtf?
when is that?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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14. No, if that happens, the SDs will intervene, I think.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:59 PM
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16. Too bad Obama and Dean supporters will dominate the CC. {nt}
uguu
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:05 AM
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35. They won't say 'no'.....
It'll probably be a 50% seating, but I agree that she'll appeal.
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:53 PM
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6. It sounded like
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:55 PM by Stagecoach
The Super-Delegates will do as Hillary does. If the Clinton camp is graceful and cooperative in this meeting, the superdelegates will be mutually graceful and cooperative and wait until after all primaries have been held. Otherwise, if the Clinton camp becomes uncooperative in this May 31st meeting, the Super-delegates will respond in kind and end it right then and there.

It's not matter if the super delegates will go with Obama; it's a matter of when. It'll be based on how the Clinton camp's demeanor is in the May 31st meeting.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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15. Yes, that's what he said. nt
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:01 PM
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17. exactly
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:45 AM
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34. I doubt the "Super Delegates" are organized enough to decide anything as a group
They're just a bunch of people, after all...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:54 PM
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8. Being able to walk into that meeting with 2025 delegates sure couldn't hurt.
:headbang:
rocknation
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:03 PM
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18. they need to bring a straightjacket and a tranquilizer gun. n/t
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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20. Chuck Todd seems pretty confident that the delegates will be halved and the new number will be 2131.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:07 AM
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23. any idea how they will be divided?
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:11 AM
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24. He actually threw out two numbers
2118 or 2131, depending on what the rules committee decides to do with the SD's. He seems to be pretty certain that the pledged delegates will be halved.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:09 AM
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36. Supers clearly should not be seated.
Per the DNC rules (the earlier ones...before all delegates were stripped) and especially since a lot of them caused this whole mess.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:31 AM
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28. In 2012, we should have a clear rule that states which jump ahead...
...have their delegates halved.

Even if NH does it.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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21. yes, sounds like an angry lady to me, too.....
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:28 AM
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26. In that case I hope she blows a serious gasket that day
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:49 AM
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29. No male candidate would do what she is doing. Yet, SHE has the
nerve to cry "sexism." :banghead:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:02 AM
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30. Why doesn't one lousy talking head ask Howard Wolfson or
Terry McAuliffe or any of her other crazed spokespeople why she willingly signed the agreement to disenfranchise voters at the beginning and only appeared to care about their voting rights when she needed to add them to her column? No one asks this. She gets such a pass. I'd love to be sitting on that committee.
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