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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:05 PM
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Why no talk of working class whites. After the Oregon results have come in????
Why have the networks stopped talking about it, all of a sudden??
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:07 PM
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1. Obama got more white votes than Hills
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:07 PM by bambino
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:10 PM
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5. They should at least announce that. Her biggest argument went poof in Oregon
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 PM
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19. It is crucial that Obama got most of the white vote is highlighted
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:55 PM
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41. Oregon is an overwhelmingly white state.
I don't see how it could be spun any other way.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:08 PM
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2. Because "those" whites didnt play along with the MSM's painting of Hillary...
...as the only person who can get white voters support.
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ladeyday Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:09 PM
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3. Moot point, now
Where there's sense, there's white votes for Obama
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:09 PM
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4. Because they are those icky West Coast people
Not those salt of the earth people with pure, patriotic values who live in the Heartland and can do no wrong!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:10 PM
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6. white voters dont count if they arent biggots
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:10 PM
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7. because OR whites aren't a bunch of colorful hillbillies prone to say something shocking on teevee.
Therefore, they are normal, sane, and therefore boring white people.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:10 PM
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8. Logging, sawmills, fishing doesn't count as "working class"?
Apparently, we sip lattes and live off of our trust funds?

Or maybe it's because we don't see how *dreadfully* important race and gender are.

:shrug:
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:12 PM
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9. Don't you know - there's no 'hard working whites' in Oregon.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:12 PM
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10. I was thinking about this earlier. Isn't a working class white just about every white?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:12 PM
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11. Obama has always done well with liberal working class whites.
It is the moderate and conservative working class whites that he is having big trouble with.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:13 PM
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12. Oh now there is liberal, and conservative ones.. sorry I didn't get the new memo
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:14 PM
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13. Wisconsin tells a different story
so does Virginia
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:15 PM
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15. There are a lot of liberals in Wisconsin.
Have you ever been to Madison?
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:25 PM
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20. Have you ever been to Green Bay?
Hardly a liberal town... full of "hard working white people."

(Obama won there BTW)
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:17 PM
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16. ....In Appalachia.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:32 PM
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25. There's another name for "conservative working class whites".......

...Republicans.


Most of Hillary's voters in KY and WV have no intention of voting for her in November. She's their second choice of the three candidates.... well behind McCain.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:39 PM
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31. Those damn liberals all over SD, MT, IA, WI, MO, ND, and KS!
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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32. You mean , Republicans?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:42 PM
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34. There is a group of conservative Democrats who will vote for a Democrat if the candidate...
... shares their values.

It's the reason why Bill won in both 1992 and 1996.

We lost most of the conservative Democrats in 2000 and 2004. Which is why we didn't win the election.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:45 PM
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37. Conservative Democrats win those voters... but in the process lose the other voters we need...


..young people... black people.... educated people.


AND

The reason why Bill won in '92 and '96 was because Perot split the "conservative" vote with Bush.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:47 PM
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38. We can make that up easily with Independents this year
Why are we chasing uneducated conservatives as someone we need to win?

The vast majority of this country wants change. Much more than just the people in WV or KY. We can more than overtake this demographic if Clinton supporters solidly get behind Obama, because the over-riding number of Indies in a country polled as 80% thinking we are off track are not going to follow McCain.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:14 PM
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14. Oregon working class whites drink Starbucks...
So, no dunkin' donuts drinkers there...
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:19 PM
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17. I like Dunkin'Donuts coffee & I voted for Obama. I'm even a woman too - LOL!
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:19 PM by Justitia
But hey, I like Starbucks too. But, I kinda like Dunkin' Donuts more...

I'm so confused ;-)
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vivalarevolucion77 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:19 PM
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18. In Oregon: 62% want campaign to continue; 28% want it to end ASAP
On page 2 of 7 in CNN exit poll, whose link might not work if reached from a hyperlink, as usual, but try it anyway:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#ORDEM

or go to CNN and find it.
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:27 PM
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21. Okay I'll admit it. I don't fish, log, and I don't know anyone who does
And I work in a cubicle in Oregon.

Let's be honest, there's some truth to the latte stuff, but it's idiotic nevertheless.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:29 PM
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22. Well, I must admit
I didn't work very hard when I lived there. :)
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:30 PM
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23. Those don't count..
they don't live in Pennsylginiatucky... dur. It's the MAP not the Math! :eyes:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:30 PM
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24. Because whites in Oregon are lazy latte-drinking bums.... Pat Buchanan said so....
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:38 PM
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29. I am somewhat lazy, prefer a cappucino, and drive a late model German car
And own The God Delusion book on CD.

:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:34 PM
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26. Oregon is very liberal.
There's no doubt that there he will get quite a fair share of white voters, but he's not getting them in most of the other primary states and that's a fact.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:44 PM
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36. "liberal" is a good thing... not a bad thing.....

There's another word for "conservative white voter" ....


...Republican.



A large chunk of Hillary's voters in Appalachia have no intention of voting for her in the GE if she were the nominee. They are Dixiecrats who would vote Republican. They voted for Bush. Twice.


Hillary is their DISTANT second-choice behind McCain. She beats Obama... but she'd lose to ANY Republican in those states.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:54 PM
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40. Hillary s a moderate and moderates win elections.
Just ask Bill.........
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:59 PM
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42. Funny.... that's the argument that GHW Bush supporters made in 1980 about their candidate....
...when comparing him to Reagan.


"Moderates win elections. Reagan's too radical."



In "sea change" elections, moderates do not always win. It's why Reagan won in 1980.... it's why FDR won in 1932... it's why Bobby Kennedy WOULD HAVE WON in 1968 if he wasn't assassinated.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:35 PM
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27. Oregon has a lot Black people so it doesn't count.
:sarcasm:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:37 PM
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28. Because those people aren't racist. The MSM "working-class white" argument is a thinly-veiled
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:37 PM by Occam Bandage
discussion of the power and political legitimacy of racism. Working-class whites who vote for Obama are not racist, and thus really aren't interesting to the media.
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:49 PM
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39. We have a winner!
Slice and dice it all you want, but as someone here mentioned a few days ago, 15 miles outside every town is banjo country.

Oregon is no different.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:39 PM
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30. Maybe because Obama has won more of the whitest states in the country than Clinton has?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/20/115022/033/755/518926

w/o latinos:

1. Maine (Obama)
2. Vermont (Obama)
3. West Virginia (Clinton)
4. New Hampshire (Clinton)
5. Iowa (Obama)
6. North Dakota (Obama)
7. Montana
8. Kentucky (Clinton)
9. Wyoming (Obama)
10. Idaho (Obama)


w/latinos:

1. Vermont (Obama)
2. Maine (Obama)
3. New Hampshire (Clinton)
4. Idaho (Obama)
5. West Virginia (Clinton)
6. Iowa (Obama)
7. Wyoming (Obama)
8. Utah (Obama)
9. North Dakota (Obama)
10. Nebraska (Obama)
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:41 PM
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33. THANK GOD FOR OREGON

I can not make it through another week of listening about the "uneducated white vote"..
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:43 PM
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35. The MSM knows it's a false argument, but think people are stupid
Imagine that...
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