I'd just like to point out that Oregon is the WHITEST state in the union.

And Barack Obama won by 16 points here.

:rofl:

matter? :evilgrin:

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All that good beer, good wine, hackey-sack playing ... :P

and good-quality bicycles!

:rofl:

:P

Hmmm ... Rogue Ales ...

Lots of cloudy days, here, but it sure is greeen. ;)

No, seriously, are we even whiter than states like, I don't know, Vermont? :wow:

But probably not as greeeen as the lovely Oregon is. ;-)

according to NPR. Sounds like Obama's "problem" is just another big fat Clinton lie.

His base is crumbling.

All her base are belong to us.

and Obama probably won bigger there.

worry much about that.

Oregon is too white and way too liberal. It 'ain't' the south.

Even my fundie bro and sis-in-law in Oregon will admit that one.

you've had Starbucks since 1989 (1989 Opens in Portland, Oregon. http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/timeline.asp)....
You've been drinking that liberal brew for almost 20 years, and I bet you eat Arugala too!!! ;)

The Clintons told me that would not happen. And we all know the Clintons NEVER lie.

:evilgrin:

so it doesn't count.

He's moderate, secular and a "maverick." Remember, we have the only republican senator on the west coast (Gordon Smith).

Bush came close here in 2000
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

and lost by a few points in 2004
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OR/P/00/

and Rasmussen shows McCain beating Hillary in Oregon.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/oregon/oregon_obama_leads_mccain_by_six_mccain_leads_clinton_by_six

Than Obama or Clinton have of competing in Kentucky.

Portland is liberal, but the state is not that liberal. Oregonians just don't like populist fake fundy panderers like Bush. McCain will do very well here. I'm hoping that the combination of Obama's popularity here and the huge level of anger against Bush will keep us in the blue column.

in third place!

:eyes:

And who knows who they voted for.

It is not whether you are white or not, it is whether you are "hard working white" i.e. a friend and enabler to
"undeserving minorities".

"Liberal elitists" to anyone using the term, essentially means "homosexuals and people who coddle n----s".

That is the actual meaning of the phrase for the Reagan Dems who Clinton is appealing to.

I have seen the visceral fear in my own (ultra liberal, Obama supporting) town to anyone who breaks the
unspoken bond of class hypocrisy and actually fights for the interests of poor minorities. You are
implicitly branded a class traitor (race being merely a sufficient indicator of caste) and blackballed
by the homeowners.

It is a brilliant example of Tory fake populism employed to break down and divide the underclass to
defend the interests of the ruling class by singling out a group for approbation and redirecting their
anger against the "elite" to ONLY THOSE IN SOCIETY WHO ARE "COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO IGNORE" the competition
for resources between the "white working class" and the "undeserving poor".

Oregon ranks 16th, with 86.1% "white only", compared with Vermont's 96.3%.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/GRTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-_box_head_nbr=R0201&-ds_name=ACS_2006_EST_G00_&-format=US-30


However, Iowa ranks 5th, and he won there!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#VT

59% to 39%.

So what it really boils down to is Appalachia is skeered of him.


:shrug:

And what is it that makes Appalachia so damn much more important and so much more "American" than the rest of us? What makes them so special that we west coast Americans are automatically rated second class and don't really count? :mad:

Maine is actually at the top end of the Appalachian mountains but we went for Obama. No one seems to care about us. Everyone thinks that only places like WV and Kentucky count. Why should they? Haven't they heard tdhat "As Maine goes, so goes the nation"?!!!!

It's those southern Appalachian states that are terrified of the big scary black man.

so is Utah. :hide:











:evilgrin:

:-)

one of my favorite places and my ancestral home. :hi:

I find it funny when people call us "affluent liberals," because most of us have taken pay cuts in order to move/stay here.

in order to move somewhere. Think about it.

As a native Oregonian, I've come across a goodly number of folk who've given up the potential for greater economic success in somewhere such as the SF Bay Area in order to stay in places like Canby and Klamath Falls.

I also know an awful lot of college-educated young 'uns working in low-wage office jobs (think "the copy guy") in Portland rather than take better paying jobs in other cities. Despite their degrees (and perhaps because of them given the student loan burden they are usually carrying), they generally rent small apartments and can't afford to marry and raise families. Frequently, they don't own cars. I'd guess they make less money and pay higher rents than union workers in rust belt states.

There are other factors in play in some mostly white states.

My home state voted overwhelmingly for Barack H. Obama. They also want Bush/Cheney impeached. And my home city, Brattleboro, voted to arrest, imprison and try Bush/Cheney as war criminals if they ever came there. I guess we are the Coastal elite that the Rethugs keep talking about... except our coast is Lake Champlaine. But with less than 1,000,000 population we don't count...

Thankfully Vermont lost that dubious distinction.

And hi down there in almost flatlanderville from way up in the Kingdom.

(Just kidding, I love Brattleboro)

So they have quite a few of those "working-class rural whites" that supposedly all vote for Clinton.

I'm all too aware of how people here are hardworking- and in real trouble.

My black girlfriend went down there with a friend, and they went to a big family party at the beach. They were all astounded when she started smoothing on sunscreen!

http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/oregon/portland/


Barack didn't win here on the strength of the black vote.

:-) :hi:

But Obama won those states as well, by big margins.

.

:D

problems with... you know, the ones in the swing states that decide elections...

So, in liberal areas that are white there are no "hard working" whites. So who does the "hard work" there? Do they import them from neighboring states but don't let them sleep over?

I like to cozy up with a nice big cup of cappuccino.

Logging, mountain-biking, whatever....

or Hank's or Ranier

The anti-microbrew brews.

That's what all the cool kids are doing these days.

Microbrew capitol of the world.

I loves my Bridgeport IPA, but go to a PDX bar that's not a brewpub some time and see what the kids are drinking.

I'm curious to know.

And yes, the exit polls do indicate that race is a factor in many of the voters in KY and WVA.

It appears Hil's appeal is confined mostly to Appalachia.

We are more intelligent......CNN said so!....lol