If you love Obama you need to love Hillary.

Obama will not win the General if he gets the nomination unless Hillary is at his side. Hillary Clinton has the super delegated ear and leads in the popular vote, is tied essential with Obama with pledged delegates.....which has tremendous leverage!!!

So, go on, hate Hillary because Hillary supporters have had a full plate of this hate and rage from Obama supporters and will not embrace obama in the General Election. You know this is true as it is in the MSM daily and it has power, a growing power. I do not like the party being divided.....so stop it please.

Obama supporters are their own worst enemy...............an addiction to obama has consequences...........get into a program, fast.

A lot more magnanimous than Michelle Obama's quote about how "....I'd have to think about it..." as to whether or not she'd support Clinton.

She's a surrogate, so it's a legitimate complaint.

truth about that fucked up lying hilary clinton.

hilary is in it for bilary and the dlc and I'll believe she'll campaign for Obama after June 3rd when I see it and not a second before.

"Hillary's latest greatest strategy is to convince her followers that they were robbed of their nomination because "elites" in Washington, including the Democratic elites (read: Superdelegates), hate women (I guess that's news to Nancy Pelosi). Now, what possible reason is there for Hillary to latch on to this new strategy? Because she's planning on leaving the election in the next 3 weeks and ending things on a high note? Because she thinks she can win 90% of the vote and 90% of the remaining Superdelegates by telling Democrats that they're a bunch of bigots? Hillary has stopped the personal attacks against Obama, but that wasn't because she finally realized she can't win, and that in the meantime she was simply hurting the party. Hillary stopped attacking Obama because she realized that she can't win BY ATTACKING OBAMA. She's found a new foil, sexism, and she has a new plan she's going to ride all the way to the convention. And she's told us as much all along, but no one wanted to believe her."

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Seriously, that kind of hate isn't good to carry around. Let it go.

of character?

the Democratic party. Pulling a 'Leiberman' would do away with all her hard work.

forever tarnished. The longer she goes, the more she loses. It's sad.

as she really is and the longer she goes the more damage she does to herself. IT IS sad.

Any Democrat would be better than those thieves.

far of a stretch?

a "legacy"?

If she takes it to the convention she has my full support JUST BECAUSE of Harry and Louise.

You might want to move there. That's not the case in this universe.

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... because as we've seen, it is subject to change!

Make Hillary VP or else? Sad.

Under the poll-defying "Obama is not electable" lies was the true message: "Give Hillary the nomination or we throw the GE to McCain." Hillary and everyone in the Democratic Party knows she has the ability - through the devotion of her voters - to throw this election to McCain for spite. And I hate to say it, but appeasement just might be necessary to prevent sabotage.

Meanwhile, read about Clinton Supporters Count Too, a group of Hillary voters who plan to throw the GE to McCain for no other reason than to throw a tantrum at Hillary's defeat.

WTF does that even mean?

BTW, it's over!

and hillary could go take a long walk on a short pier for all I care.

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Get on board or get out!

We don't care to pander to your whiny threats.

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You appear very lonely Anarchist. :loveya:

It'll be fixed after June 3rd. ;)

:hi:

But we ain't gonna beg and we ain't gonna be held hostage. Nor are we gonna change our course to appease you.

Get with us or get out of the way, because we're marching on Washington with or without you.

There are no threats just identified facts of our current state of dysfunction as the Democratic party. We need to mend these bridges, not burn them is the point.

You seem very irritable with the facts at hand. I think we need to bond together.

:grouphug: :hug: :pals:

You can't mend bridges with made up facts. you need to start with reality. I hope you get there soon.

:hi:

I think the least effective way of bringing DU together is through your unsolicited offers for group hugs.

But I think I can speak on behalf of both Hillary and Obama supporters when I invite you to take a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut.

Ah...Unity At Last!

Fuck off with your weak ass threats.

And then we'll be sorry!

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holding hands together.:kick: :woohoo: :applause: :pals:

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So vote for McCain already.

I don't give a flying fig about you children anymore.

The race is over.

Hillary lost.

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get behind the nominee WHOM HILLARY HERSELF WILL ENDORSE, CAMPAIGN FOR, AND VOTE FOR.

If you believe in Hillary and SHE ENDORSES OBAMA then you should also vote for Obama.

It is the right thing to do.

To threaten to defect is weak and childish and I will not placate such imbecilic and churlish behavior.

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I'm willing to bet that sensible Hillary supporters have moved on and are ready to vote in their own best interest. Burning the bridge for some of you on the DU isn't going to bother me because you are not representing those who actually give a damn. There are Hillary supporters out there that don't blackmail or think their e-feelings are true feelings, those are the ones I care about. All of you on the DU making threats and behaving like babies, well all I can say is don't walk across that bridge cause I got no problem setting it on fire.

to the hate mongers who post here constantly with vile, abusive threads against Hillary. This rage has become infectious and has contaminated the Democratic Party.

I want Party Unity and the abuse to stop NOW! Obama will not win without Hillary.........she has 50% of all the needed Party Power which Obam must have access if he wants to win.

The attitude YOU present is indeed a fine example of the rude and bullying Obama supports have even for fellow Democrats.........Obama supporters are the dividers....Please stop now...don't destroy the Party and give us another 8 years of the GOP.

Clinton supporters choose not to be abused today, that is healthy; ask any therapist.....so., I have done you a favor in my attempt to show you the "Big Picture".

I hope you choose wisely.

Cursing is a sign of mental fatigue and spiritual weakness ya know.

For Super delegates, its:
Obama 304.5
Clinton 278.5

Since Super Tuesday Barack has gained 90% of the Super delegate support.

fantasy world. It is amazing to watch, really. Just amazing.

Spare me your threats and BS.

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You dead enders need to find a home.

Moreover we will not submit to blackmail either.


Obama can do whatever he wants to do and Hillary can just harden the fuck up. That's what losing is, you don't get any consolation prize, you don't get anything but a swift kick out the door.


Be happy that he has been nice enough to mention her in his speeches. Because to be perfectly frank He could completely ignore her.


Moreover I could give a rats ass about Hillary supporters who are pulling this blackmail garbage. You won't vote for him THEN DON'T, I am tired of your bitching. He will win in the general election and will draw THE VAST AMOUNT of Hillary supporters who are Dem's first and not crazy lunatics who think that somehow we owe them something.


You lost now learn that means you get NOTHING.

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That is complete and utter GARBAGE.

Obama will crush McCain with or without the fringe Hillbots. Many Hillary supporters are not web surfing fanatics like us and they will vote Dem no matter what. Obama does not have to pander or suck up to anyone.

You know his message, you know his stand on issues. You're either with him and the Democratic party or YOU'RE NOT.


So excuse me if I don't feel one bit sympathetic. She ran a disgusting campaign and she does not deserve SHIT.

Not all of us care. You see you get to vote for whoever you choose to, so go have fun.
I would say President McCain before I would say President Hillary Clinton as well so we're even.

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You seem to be a thoughtful, intelligent, logical, well-spoken poster. I think the thread would benefit greatly from your keen insights. There aren't many Clinton supporters contributing in her defense, and I think you serve a great example of a solid Clinton supporter.

I don't like emotional abuse, I don't like folks that are disrespectful to me, I don't think emotional extortion is healthy and I don't respect it when used by males or females.

Hillary may like it, it appears she doesn't care about how she is disrespected as long as she gets what she wants, what she feels she is entitled to. She will put up with the abuses, the disrespect and will even take on behavior that creates more to continue on with her "I am hero, watch me struggle" myth that others have fostered and created for her. She is no role model, how do you tell young women of this world "it's cool to stay with your cheating husband as long as you get what you want out of the relationship" - would you tell that to your daughters? That is what Hillary is to the world. And now she has taken on the characteristics of those that tormented and caused her pain, she has sided with them to win.

Get this - no woman that puts up with emotional abuse and disrespect for as long as she has is worthy of respect, they are no hero. They are a victim of their own making and to enable them is to be a part of their sick game.

I don't love anyone because I have to, I don't take to bullying and threats and disrespect. I have self esteem, I wonder how long it has been since Hillary has had any, if she ever had any.

what many of us are thinking.

or hero. How many of us know women that stick with the marriage, not for the sake of the kids, but because of the creature comforts or out of fear that they will not be able to make it on their own.

The true heros of the womans rights movement are those that dare to leave a bad relationship and to make their way on their own. They are the ones that struggle to get on their feet and to be complete without a man.

And the most ironic part of HRC's campaign, her failure and her supporters failure to recognize that her support of the bankruptcy laws has hurt woman, they are often the ones stuck with the debts of the marriage and now cannot get out from under them.

dislike for her. I still admired somewhat though until now. This primary campaign has simply been too much. She is forever tarnished in my eyes.

you have true insight and wisdom. :hug: :loveya:

There is nothing about love eminating from the hillary campaign or from hillary. It has been negatives and distortions, and it is not been about what is best for the equality movement or for women or for democratic party members or the nation, it is about hillary and what she is entitled to and her win and her win alone.

It is your worship of Hillary that blinds you to the truth and her faults and you then take it upon yourself to project your failings upon Obama supporters and then threaten us, if we don't love her we will fail. Hogwash, love isn't a tool to be used against others, it isn't done out of fear or because of threats or bullying.

who's lallyGaggin' off in the delusional world of hilaryfreakin'LIARLand.

:hug:

:hug:

Do you have more free time now?

But since my computer is broken (and my goddamn car too!), and I have to wait for a part to arrive, I cannot get to much of my work. I do, however, have a few books I need to read, so I will get to that sometime today.

I hope you are doing well, and you home is all fixed the way you want it. :hug:

I had some roof issues, but I've dealt with them for the sake of the house and will have to litigate to be reimbursed, but hey - things happen - its better than the tin can.

Sorry about the puter and car - hope you get them up and running, but take the down time to enjoy reading, like a mental vacation.

Who do you think is going to have the majority of SD's, realistically?

and go to hell.

Here we go again. I will never love or support Hillary and no I'm not getting with any program. The fact that you have to threaten and beg folks to get on the Hillary bandwagon doesn't say much for her. Also if she has the SD ear where the hell is her SD lead? Just like Hillary you guys have made yourself out to be victims. Obama supporters have put up with months of Rev. Wright, Obama the Muslim, Rezko, sweetie gate and finger gate. We have put up with all the tabloid shit you people could throw. You could not come to this forum for a good month without seeing at least 10 Rev. Wright threads not to mention quite a few of your buddies were banned for their racism. Now that it has sunk in that Hillary has lost you want to play the victim. Sorry, I'm not kissing your ass and I also think Obama can do much better than Hillary as VP. There are plenty of qualified women out there to take that spot if it is a woman that you want so damn bad. I will continue to dislike her and continue to make it known that I do not want to see her by Obama's side as VP. She hasn't earned it. It doens't take much work to obtain uneducated, racist votes in Red states. Ask the GOP they have been doing it for years.

Obama does not need a pander troll with a racist husband and 31 million dollars in bad debt.

She needs to forget the Whitehouse and move on.

It ain't America's fault she can't run a campaign.

Your wording leaves something to be desired, but if you are trying to say they are essentially tied in pledged delegates, that would be incorrect.... Obama-1652 Clinton-1496

All indications and polls point to Obama winning the general. Sorry.

Hillary clearly does not have the SDs ears. They've been going overwhelmingly for Obama for months now. They're steering quite clear of Senator Clinton.

She does not lead in the popular vote. That's simply a lie. hill's numbers omit any votes for Obama in MI and the voters in 4 caucuses.

She is not tied in the pledged delegate count. She's behind by about 140.

Obama supporters largely do not hate Hillary or her supporters.

Your blind addiction to Hillary is your own worst enemy.

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LOL!!!!!

:rofl:

You Clinton folks keep deluding yourselves into believing all Obama supporters are sheeps who will jump through flaming hoops for him.


I never claimed to be nice. If my attitude bothers you...then fuck off.

you're full of it. And you seem to have a hankering for pizza.

You can't tell me how to feel about this situation. If you think a fucking rainbow is going to come out of this nightmare....then you need to stop drinking the fucking kool aid.

what koolaid you think I'm drinking.

I'm sorry. It's part of the rhetoric used by the Clinton supporters. They believe Obama supporters are delusional cult members who drink Obama kool aid. It seemed like you had issue with me defending Obama in my way. You must think I'm just bullshitting the OP. I have never in my life felt stronger in fighting for my views. I'm tired of seeing Obama supporters being forced to tip toe around Clinton supporters. Why should I ignore what those fuckers say? They want to dish out.. Why can't I give it back to them?

WOW!!

I sure hope YOU'RE not in charge of welcoming Hillary supporters into the Obama camp.

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I like watching heads explode.

HRC totally obliterating Iran will be great fun for you. :)

Big fun!!!

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Fortunately, after this scorched earth campaign, they will be run out of town on a rail.

to the ideas that make her sound electable while her minions do the dirty race-baiting, faux-feminist-outrage work to divide the party.

She's an IWR voter with high negatives and a fiscally shitty, badly-run campaign. I don't need to love that.

She needs to show some love for the party that's enabled her to wield some Washington power instead of creating splinter factions that only serve to support her short-term need to win. She's not the only female who can make a run at this, and she won't be the last.

Clinton has the super delegated ear? Is that why they're all coming over for Obama?

Popular vote? Bullshit. Only if you don't count all the states.

The pledged delegates represent the popular vote, and they're for Obama as well.

I can love my husband without sleeping with his brother.

Do you do greeting cards?

If Hillary wants "the love", she needs to face facts that she lost and concede... she is either out to screw us over or she's not.

As for your "tip", lay off with the passive/aggressive delusion. It's over. We need to beat the pantload out of McSame at this point.

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Here's a hint: Help Obama LEAD, FOLLOW or GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR WAY because Barack Obama will be the next President of The United States!

Go Obama! :patriot:

If you jackasses think you can through a giant tantrum and well all just forget about it afterwards your mistaken. Its war and you started it.

just remember that as you vote.

and then ask yourself why you come to DU.

Wow, that sure is some interesting math you've got going there.

The only hate and rage I've seen has been from Hillary supporters, and I guess to that can be added a large dose of naivete.

When the following things happen and Obama is declared the winner:

1. When DNC actually divides up the FL and MI vote
2. When Puerto Rico votes
3. When the superdelegates announce who they are going to vote for.
4. When HRC concedes or jumps the party for a 3rd party run
5. When BHO chooses his VP and stands before the DNC convention and gives his speech

will we continue to read threatening posts about what BHO addiction/cult/monotheist supporters/Obamabots need to do in order to get well?


It is one thing to lose, but it is another to sink down into delusion. Please for the sake of whatever happens on the other side of August 28th, start thinking about the possibility that there has to be life after the Democratic primary.


If Hillary managed to wrest this nomination from Obama after he has won the popular vote, has won the superdelegates and pledged electors, and has the majority of states, then on August 29th I will be arguing in favor of this rampaging campaigner.

I don't know how she is going to get any of you to support him after she has stirred you all up.

Get on with it.

There is still a Primary race in progress..........I just can't accept nor tolerate the hate and rage from the the obama supporters. It is spoiling our Party which is a collection of millions of hard working Americans verses the rich corporate GOP'ers.

rage from you Hillary supporters. Just saying that it cuts both ways, see?

with any hint of rage or hate since I have none....but....but I have been a victim.

I seek peace and unity as well as healthy discussion and thoughts.

But I was making a broader point, as you were.

But I will do may part in making sure one of them (or perhaps both if they run together) get to the WH.

"Essentially" isn't close enough. Even if Obama wins by 1 delegate - he still WINS.And she loses. That's the way it works.

Hillary supporters have spewed more hate and vitriol in this campaign than Obama folks. BY A LONG SHOT. And you expect us to sit back and take it.

Everyday I have some idiot screaming in my face "IT'S NOT OVER!!!!" And everyday there is some other idiot trying to convince me to make nice.

Which is it? Has she conceeded? Have Hillbots finally realized the race is over and stopped supporting her? If so, YES. I will stop ragging on Hillary and her supporters. IMMEDIATELY. That's over and done and we need to move forward.

If she hasn't conceeded, then the game is still on. She is still trying to do damage to Obama and the party so I will continue to do damage to her.

Are you tired of this? Are you ready for it to be over? Talk to your candidate, not to me. And take Hillary's advice: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

herself from her own Fucked Up Petard..fucking liar pandering a$$hole..

Let's show Hillary our support and sow some discord so the Dems feel they have to have Hillary on the ticket with Barack. Maybe with the two of them together McShame and the Handsome Modern Mormon can squeak by.

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Let Hillary go do her day job. If Obama picks her as VP I will be PISSED. And he will be screwed.

:boring: :boring:

and I will withhold it until she starts acting like a grown-up Democrat, and not a toddler throwing a temper-tantrum because it was her turn.

That is how divide and conquer works. That is how the bosses' strategy of teaching oppressed people to feel ashamed and teaching them to hate their poor parents and hate themselves and hate their lives works.

You have to love life if you are ever going to stand up for it.

that's impossible, not going to happen. x(

So how come way more superdelegates have been endorsing Obama? I'm tied of this suggestion that Hillary Clinton has special political powers with the super-delegates. If she did, she'd have wrapped the race up ages ago. She started out with a huge number of superdelegates before a single vote was cast. Now Obama has more than she does. I deem it unlikely that this pattern will change.

I think your OP is 2nd rate blackmail.