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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:23 PM Original message |
Why Aren't Caucus States Included In The Count Of The 'Popular" Vote? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because it doesn't give HRC an advantage in her Rovarian MATH toward the nomination. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because Hillary hates caucuses. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Apparently, she didn't know they even existed until after Super Tuesday. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Popular vote isn't how we choose the nominee.... |
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gort (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. Exactly! |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. Look beneath the bus. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Next to Bill Richardson and Robert Reich n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. There's a simple metric for measuring the real popular vote. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. because caucuses are not representative of their people... nebraska's follow up vote proved that. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That does not give anyone the right to discount them. I voted in a caucus. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. it is not a popular vote system, so when talking about popular votes, no its not counted. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. In that case then popular vote totals are totally meaningless because they... |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Why is she willing to disenfranshise all those states then? |
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pschoeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Which means there is no national popular vote, which means such |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Which means that the popular vote total is meaningless, since it disenfranchises caucus voters. |
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goletian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. silly anonymous. only hillary votes count. this is a scientific fact. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Why did Hillary flip flop on caucuses? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. No, it didn't. Two reasons. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. So try Texas. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. So you're telling me that my vote doesn't count because it was in a caucus? |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. If you havent noticed, Hillary sets the rules and the goal posts.. |
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Growler (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because Hillary doesn't want to |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. What you have seen is estimates. It's impossible to know exactly what the vote totals were... |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Bingo. |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. So, by Hill math ... |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. To me, the bigger question is why doesn't the MSM point out the fact |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I Agree |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Because they don't have to |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. Because there is no count of popular vote |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. She's only counting her Diebold votes. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
25. In Iowa there is no 'hard count' of the first preference alignment |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Good Answer |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. They're not, which is why we count delegates and not votes. |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. Because in the Rovian metrics and new math that Sen. Clinton's camp uses |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
32. They are - Except for the Clinton's campaign. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
33. Why doesn't someone say "Shut the fuck up" every time the mythical "popular vote" is mentioned |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Good Retort |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
37. That very question glaringly exhibits the problem with caucuses replacing the popular vote.....nt |
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