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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:21 PM
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Will Obama Ignore Puerto Rico And Concede The Popular Vote, Or Will He Compete?
I hope he goes there to atleast keep her margin down. You know Bill and Chelsea are already on a plane heading there and they're on a mission to turn PR into Clinton Nation. Bill will probably be doing 10 events a day. Obama needs to buy some swim trunks and sandals and get down there so he can end this thing once and for all.

If she wins the popular vote and loses the nomination her supporters are going to be protesting from now until November.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM
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1. There is no "popular vote" metric. You disenfranchise the caucus states.
This popular vote meme is menaingless.

Who leads in Blue Cheese crumbles?
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM
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2. Gov. Richardson will campaign there & he has ads on the air there
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:22 PM
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3. Let them protest. PR should not be considered in the pop. vote argument.
They don't vote in November's GE.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM
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5. ABSOLUTELY! Shut down this stupid Clinton campaign meme!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM
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4. "Puerto Rico...Obama Island? "
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/21/75834/3293/165/519524

I don't think he'll concede anything about Puerto Rico.

:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:26 PM
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9. Fuck - you beat me to it. :)
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:31 PM
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12. Everybody wins! But I won first!
;)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:36 PM
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15. Nicely played. :)
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:29 PM
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11. Thanks for that link ... there's probably more there than all DU'ers collectively know about PR
One of the ironies of this campaign, for me at least, is the way Puerto Ricans, Latino, and Hispanics have become increasingly used as a political football. I wonder how many of HRC's 'supporters' will really give two shits about any of them once this is over. (Very few is my guess--and it has nothing to do with being a HRC supporter, per se, but just a comment on the tendency of people in politics to freely use then discard whomever can get them the most votes. cf. African-Americans, taken for granted by Democrats.)
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:32 PM
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13. "freely use then discard"
Hillary's motto.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM
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6. I think working the with superdelegates and campaigning for the general works better.
Set up the supers to counter the last contests. Make a couple appearances. Go after McCain.

Hillary is marginalizing herself at this point. Playing toward the general is the only way.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:24 PM
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7. Gee let's see
They can't vote in the GE, but I am sure Hillary will make it another of her "must" win states for any democrat that wants to win the GE, right?:eyes:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:25 PM
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8. My understanding is that Richardson is there to pave the way for Obama to duke it out...
Here's the best PR analysis I've seen:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/21/75834/3293/165/519524
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:26 PM
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10. He will and should compete. Hard. in PR.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:33 PM
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14. Hillary has been planning this for a while. That's why PR switched from a Caucus to a Primary.
But it ain't going to save her...
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:37 PM
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16. Only when PR can vote in the general
It's only meaningful if it affects the general election.

PR doesn't vote in November, so it's only meaningful if the Clinton campaign can convince people of the falsehood.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:38 PM
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17. Don't treat us Puerto Ricans like that. 4 million of us can vote over here.
It's important for Obama to give the island some attention.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:48 PM
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21. I agree that he should campaign there
But Clinton is asserting that the number of votes in the Primary cast in Puerto Rico have significance for the general election. They don't. The Primary vote count is only significant if Puerto Rico also voted in the general election, as well.

If there's some way that the vote total affects the general election, please share those details.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:40 PM
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18. He already has Richardson campaigning there I think
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:42 PM
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19. Puerto Rico is an example of the farce of "popular vote"
in the primaries and caucuses. They have nothing to do with the general election or the argument they forward. I hope nobody is even taking the popular vote argument seriously at this point. And there's states like California which we don't even know how they would fare head to head without other candidates in the race.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:42 PM
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20. Obama is going to do well in PR.
He has the most mayoral endorsements, and therefore, access to the resultant machinery.

They see him as a supporter of the people. His support in San Juan is very strong. It is Obama Country there.

I think he will win, but if he doesn't, he will come very close.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:36 PM
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22. or neither?
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