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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:06 PM
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What Oregon Says About America
Basically, don't believe the (Clinton's Rovian) hype:

"What Oregon Says About America" by Joseph Lowndes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-lowndes/what-oregon-says-about-am_b_102796.html
As we all know, the dominant explanation coming out of Oregon and Kentucky's differing Democratic primary results will go like this: Oregonians are wealthier, better-educated and racially homogeneous, and therefore free of the kind of racial politics we have seen in other states recently. Hence their support for Obama. Kentuckians, by contrast, are poorer, less well-educated and are in a state with legacies of racial difference. Hence their support for Clinton.

(snip)

First, as Sam Stein pointed out in a post two days ago, Oregon is indeed a working class state. Second, it is a mistake to imagine that Oregon is somehow free of the racial history that formed the nation more generally. Oregon's lack of diversity is not an accident -- it is itself a legacy of white supremacy.

(snip)

As Oregon shows, white working class people -- just like anyone else -- have the capacity to vote their concerns, interests and beliefs in terms other than race. Indeed, if Obama seriously addresses the problems of economically marginalized people, he may help find a way out of the racial machinations of the modern right.



I found this article particularly interesting because I'd just heard Kari Chisomm from blueoregon.com on the Thom Hartmann show this morning expressing the exact same thing. Chisomm was speaking to the fact that Oregon is the "average" state - in most areas of comparison, it falls right on the national average (except, interestingly, in average income - there it's $2k below average). Oregon is so "average" that most companies test-market their products and services there.

It's a state with a strong KKK history - at one point: the largest KKK group in the nation was in Oregon. Portland is the state's largest urban area and it is a bit more affluent than the rest of the state - but Obama didn't just do well in Portland, so that argument is moot.

So you can look at Oregon as a good "test market" for a Presidential candidate. Hmmm...now who again did really well there yesterday?....
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:14 PM
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1. As a compensation consultant,
I can attest that pay in this state overall is lower than the national average.

And, on a personal note, I am not proud of my state's racist history.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:19 PM
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9. Yeah, but think about how far you've come.
That's something to be proud of - especially since there are areas of this country still today drug down by that kind of hate.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:27 PM
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10. Thank you - n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:20 PM
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2. Yes but it is not an average state metaphysically with a high non church number
and is very openminded having elected a Jewish mayor decades ago and gay mayor yesterday.

Oregonians have always had indpendent thinking.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:39 PM
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4. Exactly. There is no comparison to Appalachain states
There is a difference of open-mindedness fostered by independent thinking and being a "young" state, compared to the narrow-minded thinking fostered by conservative churches that have had a hold on their people since white folks landed over here.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:17 PM
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8. No, it's not Appalachia.
And Clinton's the Queen of Appalachia as either Thomm or Kori said this morning - but as they also pointed out, that makes Obama King of the rest of the US. And, Appalachia won't win you an election. As a matter of fact, I believe that many of those in Appalachia who voted for Clinton in the primaries will vote for McCain in the GE, whether or not Obama or Clinton had been the Dem nominee.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:28 PM
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11. Kentucky has a long history of registered "Democrats" voting Republican.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 04:28 PM by TahitiNut
An even greater percentage of Democratic Primaty voters in 2004 voted for Cheney/Bush instead of Kerry than say they intend to vote McCain over Obama in exit polling.

That's the way Kentucky is. (They'd not vote for Clinton, either.)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:59 PM
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13. Exactly.
They won't vote for Clinton - why would they vote for a woman instead of a man? Won't happen.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:22 PM
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17. I bet alot of those Clinton voters
are old Dixiecrat voters that never switched their party affiliation. Some of my older relatives registered Democrat back in the JFK days and never switched despite the fact that they probably haven't voted for a Dem since JFK. I know Nebraska is different but the thought of someone voting for Clinton but not Obama seems absurd and vice versa. What Obama DOES do, is get alot of people out to vote that otherwise wouldn't have and keep some of the foaming at the mouth Clinton haters at home.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:27 PM
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19. Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning ... 'nuf said.
I cheered for Jim Bunning when he was pitching for the Tigers. Little did I know what a total asshole he is.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:52 PM
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6. It says a lot about them that they can progress from attitudes the state may have had years ago
maybe one day WVA and KY will too.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:01 PM
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7. they would have to want to become less insulated and less tied to fundamentalism
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:13 PM
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15. It's all those durn ex-Californians and their hippy dippy granola ways!
And I'm one of 'em... :)
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:37 PM
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3. Interestingly, Jackson County (Medford) was the center of KKK activity
in the 1920's. Yesterday it voted for Obama 60-40%. So things change.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OR
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:30 PM
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12. The KKK still exists in Oregon
They just changed their name to the "Oregon Citizens Alliance". :puke:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:23 PM
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18. The Southern Poverty Law Center sez ...
American National Socialist Workers' Party .......... Neo-Nazi

Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan .......... Ku Klux Klan

National Prayer Network .......... General Hate.......... Clackamas

National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan .......... Ku Klux Klan .......... Junction City

Brotherhood of Klans Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.......... Ku Klux Klan .......... La Pine

Daughters of Yahweh .......... Christian Identity .......... Portland

National Socialist Movement - NSM .......... Neo-Nazi .......... Portland

Northwest Hammerskins .......... Racist Skinhead .......... Portland

The Apostles of Adolf Hitler .......... Neo-Nazi .......... Portland

Volksfront .......... Racist Skinhead .......... Portland

National Socialist Movement - NSM .......... Neo-Nazi .......... Sisters


http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp#s=OR
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:51 PM
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5. Exactly.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:03 PM
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14. I feel sorry for the ones who do believe
hilary's blatherings. It's not really fair to them.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:18 PM
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16. Oregon
This Is a state we need.I hate to tell Clinton Supporters and the Media this but no Democrat Is going to win Kentuckey or West Virginia in 2008.The biggest lie that has been told Is Whites won't vote for Obama.How did he get this far.Oregon was a landslide for Obama and It Is ignored by the media and the clinton supporters have the balls to say Obama winning by 17 shows he Is weak.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:37 PM
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20. The clinton supporters are too far
gone.. More importantly the DNC and the SuperDees know this about Kentucky and West Virginia.

The m$$$$fm is our enemy and the sooner everyone knows this the sooner they lose any validity at all.
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