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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:07 PM
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Wouldn't it be ironic if seating the Florida delegation got Obama the nod?
Think about it:

Obama can reach the nomination with the addition of more delgates...even if it is a state he lost. Imagine if the remaining contests and Super Delegate endorsements put him a few delegates from clinching with the required amount.

Imagine the Clinton camp having to argue FOR Obama getting the nomination because of their support for Florida.

Imagine Terry McAuliffe's head exploding at this scenario.

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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1. then he would have won fair and square, and i would be happy with that.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:09 PM
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2. He did win fair and square.
So you should be happy anyway.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:10 PM
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3. They are pretty mad at him and the party leaders.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:10 PM
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4. Tampa was fired up over his visit. He'll be in Boca tomorrow visiting
with the Jewish community. It will be wonderful..
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:12 PM
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5. They will be seated in some fashion, and he will win.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 03:14 PM by lojasmo
So, your proposition will probably come to fruition.

Edit: He wins in almost any scenario of seating FL AND MI unless he gets no delegates from Michigan. Florida alone almost gives him enough to clinch.
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/fl-mi-by-numbers.html
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:17 PM
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6. Thanks for the link. I saw that a few weeks ago and forgot
to bookmark it.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:33 PM
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7. I actually want him to agree to primary do-overs in Florida & Michigan
Give them two weeks to campaign after Puerto Rico and have the primary date be the third week in June.

If they campaign he's sure to pull even closer and her popular vote argument goes bye-bye because he'll narrow the margin so much that she's not going to be anywhere close to his popular vote count. Plus it sews up the pledged delegates argument as well.

Of course that's not what Hillary or her supporters would agree to. They want Michigan to count as-is with bogus numbers that don't even include Obama being on the ballot. It's the only way they can win.

And they know in both states if they were given a chance to meet the candidates and hear them in person it would hurt her badly.

We've seen in this campaign that every time they both spend time in a state where she has a name recognition lead his support goes way up and hers goes down. Even in states she won like PA and OH her numbers before the primary narrowed greatly in the weeks leading up to the vote because a lot of people got to meet him or hear from him personally.

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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:39 PM
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8. Who cares? It would be the right thing to do.
It's not about any candidate. It's not about who wanted the primary on what day.

It's the people's vote, stupid.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:42 PM
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9. Not in a state he does not have 50% of the vote in
While adding a state adds to his delegate count, it also adds to the number required to have 50% of all delegates. There are 4050, delegates as of now, so one needs 2025.5 to have a majority. Lets say Obama is as close to that as possible at some point, sitting at 2025.0 delegates a mere ½ delegate from the majority. FL is seated and Obama gains 87 delegates (the 67 pledged he won, the 7 superdelegates he has right now, and all of the 13 uncommitted superdelegates). Obama now has 2112 delegates, well above 2025.5. The problem is that number changes, 4050 moves up to 4261 with the addition of FL and now 2131 are needed. Obama would then be farther from the majority than he was before FL. Basically it is this simple, adding a state where you won more than 50% helps you, adding a state where you won less than 50% hurts you.
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