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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:33 PM
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Axelrod says he wants a compromise - willing to go more than halfway on Michigan and Florida
Axelrod tells NPR he's willing to go more than halfway on Michigan and Florida

NPR just sent out a press release with excerpts of an interview Obama Chief Strategist David Axelrod gave "All Things Considered" host Michele Norris, where he seemed to open the door to a deal on Michigan and Florida:

"We are open to comprise . We are willing to go more than half way. We're willing to work to make sure that we can achieve a compromise. And I guess the question is: is Senator Clinton's campaign willing to do the same?"

Axelrod continues: "Well, obviously, any compromise is going to involve some give, and that means if there's something on the table, we're willing to consider it. That may include us yielding more delegates than perhaps we would have, simply on the basis of the rules."<[br />
This comes after Clinton compared the fight for the rogue delegations to the civil rights movement earlier today . David Kuhn and I noted a couple weeks ago that sitting Florida and Michigan wouldn't change the underlying dynamic of the race.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Axelrod_tells_NPR_hes_willing_to_go_more_than_halfway_on_Michigan_and_Florida.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:35 PM
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1. Obama will give just less than Clinton needs.
Guaranteed.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:49 PM
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4. As he should. He's earned the nomination.
Can't wait until she accepts her loss, it's going to be so sweet.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:10 PM
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13. Clinton will accept NOTHING less than what she wants. All she has to do is file an appeal..
and it goes to another committee.. which will not be decided until the convention.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:42 PM
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2. I proposed they give both Florida and Michigan 55%/45% to Clinton...
which is more than generous to her. And he would still beat her handily in delegates.
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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:47 PM
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3. Doesn't Obama still win if they're seated as is?
If so, why don't they just agree to seat them as is and get it over with?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:51 PM
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7. Yes, even without the uncommitted delegates.
I think their strategy is let her go on publicly insisting the rules - which she signed a pledge to observe and abide by - be changed for her. And once everyone is fully aware of what she's demanding, she can get what she wants...and she will still trail Obama. At that point she has a choice: admit he has won the contest, or commit political suicide.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:56 PM
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9. What do they call it in criminal court whe they make the defendant claim his crime?
They should give Hillary FL nd MI - on the express point that she calls a press conference and announces that her accepting the delegates is in direct violation of the primary rules as laid out by the DNC.

How sweet would that be?

- as
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:52 PM
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8. Because this shows once again that Obama, unlike clinton, isn't driven by hunger for power.
It shows he's above her type of chicanery, that he's the bigger candidate.

It also shows those in FL and MI who -- mistakenly -- think he's to blame for their votes not being counted that he's hearing them.

It's brilliant, because it undercuts the clinton camp's lies that he's "disenfranchising" voters (never mind the fact that it's not actual disenfranchisement, and that likening it to the civil rights fight is repugnant political posturing on clinton's part at best).
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:50 PM
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5. She wont go for that now
Any deal removes her chance to contend the nomination in the convention.

That spoils her chance to do enough damage to Obama to help McCain win the GE.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:51 PM
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6. The point is to make her look unreasonable if she doesn't accept
while offering something that doesn't fundamentally change the math.

Not hard.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:00 PM
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10. All they need to do is
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:00 PM by 4themind
Cut the florida and Michigan Delegates in half, including supers
1.)this blunts the argument of "ignoring" the voices of democrats there because they are being counted
2.)Even though their delegates are halved we can make the argument that it won't cost us much relative to the repugs who ALSO cut there's by halfand didn't change it even after McCain was clearly the nominee
3.)If she argues against the "non-hllary-kucinich-dodd vote" vote going for obama she'll just look like a kid saying "all for me and none for you!"
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:03 PM
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11. Ywes, but he has to get delegates for the uncommitted vote in MI
She can't be the only one to gain delegates from MI since his name wasn't on the ballot/

Cut em in half and apportion based upon votes in FL and MI, with him getting the uncommitted vote.

Seems fair enough.
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:08 PM
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12. They need to be divided in such a way that she can't make the lie about winning the popular vote
Apparently her supporters are too fucking stupid to understand why the popular vote is a flawed metric that disenfranchises all caucus states, and seem to think counting Florida and Michigan votes as is, while ignoring the votes of caucus states is legitimate.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:16 PM
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15. That's my thought.
I would not want to see him get swept away in the spirit of unity...thinking they can be seated "as is"...and trust she will not continue to lie about the popular vote.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:13 PM
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14. its simple
get rid of the SDs in those two states and just go with the voters while assigning the uncommitted pledged delegates in MI to Obama.

The people get their vote, the party apparatus of those states (the SDs) are punished, and the only think Clinton has left is some argument that SDs should be seated and NO ONE is going to get too teary eyed over that.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:17 PM
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16. Good move by Axelrod/Obama campaign
My pet favored proposal would be to allow all the delegates in FL to be seated, except that any delegate who voted to move the primary up, or any delegate who is an official in the Florida Democratic Party who publically advocated for such a move, would have to be replaced with another delegate supporting the same candidate who was not part of or pushing for that decision. Let those Democratic big whigs who were a direct party to this catastrophy take direct responsibility for it and stay home eating pop corn watching CSPAN instead. Obama would still win the nomination.
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