Clinton has every right to continue to run

I'm an Obama supporter and my opinion of Clinton has, if anything, dropped, but she has every right to continue her campaign. She has many, many supporters and admirers. She's been a good mainstream Democrat and on social issues she has been among our better leaders. As a woman, she has faced tough odds (just as Obama has as a black man), but has refused to let the male-dominated establishment beat her down.

Now, let's not kid our selves and pretend the primary system reflects anything particularly meaningful. It does give us a rough idea of who is popular enough to be the Democratic nominee, but beyond that it's impossible to draw any intelligent conclusions from the primary. Consider that:

- There are open primaries (where the choice of Democrats is tainted by input from non-Democrats)
- There are closed primaries (which reflects the views of Democrats)
- There are caucuses (which attract relatively small numbers of people)

It's a very imperfect system, and it's unclear what it's trying to accomplish other than select a nominee. The results really don't tell us all that much, other than that Obama and Clinton are awfully popular. If every state had caucuses, chances are Obama would have won already. If every state had Democratic-only primaries, Clinton might have won already. If every state had open primaries, it's anyone's guess what the results would be.

Clinton has every right to compete, but at this point she (and Obama) are obligated to be positive, and to commit to actively supporting the Democratic nominee. Both are clearly Democrats who will support whoever is the nominee.

Now, one has to wonder why Clinton is running at this point. I presume because she still has an outside chance of winning or because she's trying to put herself in a position to get some concessions from Obama. But, whatever her reasons, she has millions of supporters and she's a darn good candidate, so she has every right to run. It doesn't bother me that she's still running. At this point, she has no chance of getting the nomination even if Florida and Michigan are seated per her wishes.

or the people become disillusioned, quit voting, quit participating, and eventually REVOLT.

So all that if if if stuff just doesn't matter. We have the system we have and one person created and executed a strategy to win in that system. We either respect it, or we aren't worth the name of our party.

She needs to get the fuck out. SHE LOST.

Jeez.

she's still in the race.

She LOST.

She needs to get the hell out.

Sorry, I dont buy the lame "right" argument.

Every single candidate that was running had the "right" to stay in the race, but when the odds are great you will fail you are no longer deserving of the "right".

he's got no chance winning the presidency.

The attacks on Clinton are sounding more and more hysterical... it gives me such hope...

But just like football you don't go head hunting the winning teams quarterback on the last play of the game when you are down by 3 touchdowns.

It is just bad form and will garner you a lot of hate through out the league..... Just like what is going on now isn't it ironic?

And announce for Obama sooner rather than later so we can put an end to Hillary's selfish shenanigans.

All I can figure is that she is trying to stay in
a) to raise money to pay herself back the 12 mil
b) in hopes something destroys Obama
c) hoping to damage Obama enough that he loses so she can run in 2012
d) because she's delusional and drinking the kool-aide (read Dana Milbank in todays WashPost)

But the sooner she is out, the better for the Dem Party in November

to voters that might be susceptable to her version of things, that is true. She has the right to take it to the convention on dishonest premises if she wants since there is no rule that says she can't. She can keep trying to change the rules since there is no rule that says she can't. She has the right to do as much damage to the person that was chosen through the primary and caucus system if she wants because there is no rule that prevents her from doing so or trying. But isn't it a shame?

fookin' head off too.

"Hillary's latest greatest strategy is to convince her followers that they were robbed of their nomination because "elites" in Washington, including the Democratic elites (read: Superdelegates), hate women (I guess that's news to Nancy Pelosi). Now, what possible reason is there for Hillary to latch on to this new strategy? Because she's planning on leaving the election in the next 3 weeks and ending things on a high note? Because she thinks she can win 90% of the vote and 90% of the remaining Superdelegates by telling Democrats that they're a bunch of bigots? Hillary has stopped the personal attacks against Obama, but that wasn't because she finally realized she can't win, and that in the meantime she was simply hurting the party. Hillary stopped attacking Obama because she realized that she can't win BY ATTACKING OBAMA. She's found a new foil, sexism, and she has a new plan she's going to ride all the way to the convention. And she's told us as much all along, but no one wanted to believe her."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6063271

Go hilary go...lie hialry lie

it is what she is saying and doing in her desperation.

"Winning" is not always succeeding in what you set out to achieve. As far as I'm concerned, she has lost even if she were to achieve getting the nomination. I no longer trust or respect her. I know others who are as disillusioned and disapointed as I am- which is a shame. I guess perhaps I never really knew who Hillary really is.

I hope she finds a way out of this, that leaves her in a better place than I imagine her being.

peace~

on- and hanging in, Shad-

:hug:

life's been a bit hard of late- hope you are doing better than ok

thanks for asking.

peace my friend~

blu

I'll second that hug. :pals:

For that, I am grateful. The Clintons have proven to me so many times that they are NOT true Democrats. By their own hand, they shall make themselves historically an abyssmal chapter in American history.

I think that's what it's trying to accomplish, yes.

:eyes:

voting in the Democratic primary.

I'm sick of our party being held hostage by her monomania. I don't care about HER "rights", I will continue to assert my OWN right to call her out for being the DLC Democratic Party destroyer that I have thought she was since 2002, when I first started speaking out against a Hillary Clinton presidential candidacy.

I want the entire DLC branch expelled from the DNC. We might actually make some progress in the direction of a true Progressive agenda, if we can once and for all jettison the corporatist DLC parasites.

I want to assert MY right to have MY party represent MY interests. Clinton wants the nomination because she wants the nomination. This is all about HER political ambitions, it's not about US.

And the proof that it's not about US is the fact that she is gleefully raking in the votes of bigots and Republicans in the Primaries -- even though many of them will NEVER vote for a Democrat in the GE -- and claiming some kind of redneck mandate.

Yeah, low information voters are so who I want to determine the direction of our poor, gasping-on-its-deathbed country. Thanks, Hillary. Thanks for doing your damnedest to sacrifice our collective opportunity for moving to a different level of political consciousness on the altar of your quest for personal fulfillment.

I refuse to concede her the "right" to fuck up my children's future for the sake of her egoistic sense of entitlement.

sw

I would be happy, of course, to find out that other people share my views. However, I would never presume to be speaking for anyone but myself.

sw