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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:41 PM
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May I be so bold as to suggest that we remember that defeating Sen. McCain is our objective?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:59 PM by ColesCountyDem
I know that I'm a relative newbie here, compared to many of you, but that's not the same thing as being a political neophyte; I'm not. Quite frankly, I'm an old fart who's been involved in politics at some level since I was six years-old and my grandfather was running for re-election as County Judge and my great-uncle was serving as Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives. I've personally served as a committeeman, coroner, county board member, school board member and city commissioner. Any way, before the Alzheimer's kicks in, I'd like to get to my point... :P

I've seen a lot of politicians come and go in my lifetime, some bad, some good, some mediocre and some brilliant, but for sheer callousness, recklessness, greed and a 'f**k the Constitution' mentality, none- not even Richard Nixon at his worst-- has equaled the Bush-Cheney cabal!


I am absolutely astounded, therefore, when I read that there are Clinton supporters saying that they won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee (or worse yet, vote for McCain!) and vice-versa, and it takes almost all of the energy remaining in my poor, old body to a.) pick my jaw up off of the ground and b.) resist the urge to physically throttle the person uttering such insanity! In what alternate universe would anyone who thinks of him- or herself as a liberal or progressive would it be logical or even sensible to even entertain such thoughts, much less act upon them?

To get down to 'the nut cuttin' ', as they say back home in the hills of Southern Illinois, I'd like to point out that the next President is extremely likely to appoint at least TWO USSC Justices, something that will shape the direction of that court for most of a generation. You may not remember the world before Roe v. Wade, but a lot of us do, and it wasn't pretty. Both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama will appoint pro-choice justices and a Democratically-controlled Senate will confirm them. Sen. McCain will not do that!

Both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama will seek to repeal the Bush tax cuts. Sen. McCain will not do that!

Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton will seek to expand opportunities for full and equal participation in American life for minorities, women, the poor, etc. . Sen. McCain will not do that!

Both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama have plans to finally guarantee full access to our health-care system for EVERY American; to be sure, neither of them has a 'perfect' plan, but each has a GOOD plan, and only a fool permits perfect to become an enemy of the good. Sen. McCain will not do that!

I could ramble on for a while longer (we old farts tend to do that), but I would hope that you folks who need to be 'woodshedded' would get my drift at this point. In the meantime, I'm going to go fix a scotch and water, don my Nomex/Kevlar suit and sit back and watch the flame wars in GD-P.

To the rest of you sane, rational folks, I'll just wish you a nice evening...

:hi:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:47 PM
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1. Hear Hear, Sir!
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:49 PM by The Magistrate
"More Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:54 PM
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5. Thank you, Judge!
:hi:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:49 PM
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2. How can Obama possibly win, after he alienated half the party?
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:53 PM
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3. Who alienated who is open to debate, frankly.
Whose ox gored whose ox depends on which ox you own, and in any event is likely to be an unproductive discussion, at best, seeing as it undermines the entire point of the exercise...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:53 PM
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4. That Line Works Both Ways, Sir
A partisan of Sen. Obama could just as easily say exactly that concerning Sen. Clinton, that hse has alienated half the Party, and therefore her cause would be hopeless in the fall.

As much as her supporters may not like to face it, Sir, Sen. Obama, not Sen. Clinton, is going to be the Party's nominee. All but a very few of her supporters will vote for him in November, and doubtless you will be among those who do so.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:57 PM
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8. President McCain
the blood will be on the hands of the Hillary supporters if they vote for Insane McCain or waste their vote some other way... not just the more dead in his 'more wars',the women that will die in backroom abortions when he puts more reich-wing judges to overturn Roe-vs-Wade, the children that will die from no health care, and on, and on....

President McCain... is that worth your petty "Take That Obama!" bullshit???
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:43 PM
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39. Pot. Kettle.
Amazing the amount of disconnect that is evident in Hillary supporters.

How's that parallel dimension that Hillary is currently living in?
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:55 PM
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6. Worst yet about a McCain presidency, the most likely to be replaced SC justices are liberals
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:57 PM by ShadowLiberal
If you think that the latest Supreme Court rulings have been bad, imagine how bad they're going to be when the neocons on the court won't need moderate conservative Kennedy's vote to force their neocon agenda onto us all.

What you say is exactly the same kind of frustration I'm feeling right now, except I'm in my 20's, so if McCain screws up the Supreme Court I'll have to live with it for the next few decades.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:56 PM
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7. Precisely! n/t
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:00 PM
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9. Change to a parliamentary system.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:18 PM
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26. That's an idea worthy of consideration, of course.
That said, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of writing an entirely new Constitution, as polarized as this nation is today.

:hi:
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:02 PM
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10. How DARE you...
...be so damned...REASONABLE on this board?!?

Have you NO decency?!?
:sarcasm:
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:06 PM
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12. Nah. No shame, either...
It's the senile dementia, you see...

;)
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:09 PM
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16. LOL
:toast:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:02 PM
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11. No, it's all about Hillary.
I'll send you the memo.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:08 PM
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14. Send me a ream of them, if you would.
I know TONS of Sen. Clinton's supporters here in Illinois who apparently didn't get the memo, either, since they've repeatedly said that they'll gladly vote for either her or Sen. Obama, so long as it means the end of eight years of Republican misrule.

:)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:10 PM
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18. Ok.
Let me get them from the people here.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:07 PM
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13. You are correct. I will vote for Obama if, as is likely, he becomes our nominee.
But "beating McCain" is the very reason I am happy that it looks like Hillary is going to take this all the way to the Convention. There's no reason the Democrats should throw away the 3-month-long option to return the Obama choice if the Obama product doesn't hold up well.

By going on to Denver, Hillary becomes the understudy who's ready to take the stage if necessary. She preserves our Toricelli Option.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:12 PM
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20. I'm frankly enjoying the "John Who?" effect in the nightly news coverage.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 06:12 PM by ColesCountyDem
I hear "Obama" and "Clinton" over and over and over, night after night after night, with the occasional "Oh yes! John McCain was doing X in Upper Piecrust Utah today, by the way"...

:+
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:09 PM
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15. Tell Hillary To Get Out Of the WAY THEN!
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:13 PM
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21. Why? n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:13 PM
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23. Because she CAN'T legitimately win.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:16 PM
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24. Of course she could.
I'll concede that it's unlikely, at this point, but our party rules DO permit superdelegates to vote their consciences; if that's not 'legitimate', then none of our party rules are 'legitimate'.

:shrug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:17 PM
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25. Who will not do such a thing as to go against the will of the states who have selected the delegates
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:21 PM
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28. Someone with a different opinion, perhaps?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 06:22 PM by ColesCountyDem
The rules ARE the rules, after all, even those we may not necessarily agree with. It's quite unsportsmanlike t change the rules after the game has started. I believe that this point should be thoroughly discussed and tweaked before 2012, however.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:10 PM
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17. K & R'd , ColesCountyDem!
:kick: & Recommended
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:13 PM
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22. Thank you kindly!
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:11 PM
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19. Tell that the hilary...this still is the GD-Primary after all.
I think Skinner will let us know when that changes.

Stop the lyin', hilary.
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daGREATONE Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:19 PM
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27. thanks for the reminder
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:22 PM
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29. You're welcome, and than you for your kind words.
:)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:24 PM
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30. Who is this McCain fellow you speak of?
;)
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:00 PM
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31. Some moss-backed old fool from Arizona.
Claims to be a war hero and a US Senator, I think...

:P
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:08 PM
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32. "moss-backed"
:rofl:

That's a keeper! :)
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:13 PM
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33. It also dates me, unfortunately...
:hippie:
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:23 PM
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34. Daytime kick n/t
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s0ulablaze Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:05 PM
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35. Hilary can't guarantee a win any more than Barack can
Barack has won by every legitimate metric, and he's done so
with great integrity.  If Hilary were winning the popular
vote, there would be no “if” in the statement.    Hilary’s
supporters should ask themselves, “What's the rational behind,
and benefit of Hilary continuing her campaign?” that is
currently predominately serving to put her further in debt,
divide the country further, offend and alienate
African-Americans, invoke fear and prejudice, etc.  Talk about
an appetite for destruction…hers is insatiable!  How can she
claim to balance our country’s budget, when she can’t balance
her own?  How can she claim to bring our troops home from a
failed war that should not have been authorized in the first
place, when she can’t even remove herself from a destructive,
and failed campaign even long after it’s been clear that she
cannot win by current standards to which she agreed?

Why does she deserve the nomination more than Barack - because
there are still some racists in the world, or because she’s
proven she can hold an indefinite position as “the underdog”? 
 Furthermore, Barack has held up rather well against the
“right-wing attack machine”, in spite of her biased warnings
that he couldn’t do so.  Her “experience” argument doesn’t
hold up either: failed healthcare plan, vote for Iraq War,
Wal-Mart board member, “Bosnia lie”, scandal baggage, dirty
campaigning, divisive politics, etc.  Yes, Hilary has plenty
of legitimate, helpful experience in her arsenal as well, but
so does Barack.  There are benefits and drawbacks to each of
them.  Neither is perfect.  Moreover, her claim that she’s the
stronger candidate isn’t supported by her failed campaign, and
she can’t guarantee a democratic victory any more than Barack
can.  We live in an age where claims can be easily verified;
therefore, to overstate one’s experience, position, or
whatnot, speaks to the arrogance, if not the delusions, of the
perpetrator.  I doubt if anyone has those characteristics on
her list as desirable for The President of the United States
to have.  

Hilary has lost the race, and should gracefully concede rather
than try to bend and break the rules to fit her.  She’s making
this a loss, really.  It could be a “win, win”, if she could
muster up some integrity and humility.  Why is it OK for her
to say that Barack should be denied equal opportunity on the
basis of his race, and then add insult to injury by
simultaneously complaining that she’s not getting a fair shot
because she’s a woman?  If she has so much pull with her
supporters, and she believes in unity, then why doesn’t she
throw her support behind Barack, the victor, who has won “fair
and square”?  

I was a strong Hilary supporter until she adopted this “by any
means necessary” approach, and until I witnessed the integrity
with which Barack has run his campaign.  The means do not
necessarily justify the end, and “by any means necessary” is
not the same as “fighting a good fight”.  Also, I prefer to go
with the person who says, “Yes we can!” as opposed to the
person who says, “That’s just the way it is!”

Barack leads by example.  Forget all that “guilt by
association” and “he’s just a speech” non-sense!  “The proof
is in the pudding” and “actions speak louder than words”.  For
the record: When he had the opportunity to make more money by
working for corporations, he chose to work as a community
organizer instead; He spoke out against the Iraq War from the
beginning, and continues to do so; He has sponsored hundreds
of Bills, a great many of which were passed into law, and
championed numerous causes to help eliminate poverty, fight
crime, protect human rights, reform healthcare, maintain a
balanced economy, assist veterans, bring accountability to
government, etc.; He continues to run a successful, clean, and
respectful campaign; He reaches out to ALL people; He has the
support of people across the board, including working-class
whites, and not just blacks. Indeed, his experience rivals, if
not trumps Hilary’s.
 
Additionally, Barack’s insight from his diverse ethnic
background, and exposure to different cultures can only serve
as leverage to help bridge our differences.  His background is
also a marvelous demonstration of what America is all about. 
To suggest that Barack is anything other than what he
exemplifies, is malarkey, and only reveals the nature of the
accuser.  I don’t think Hilary is evil, or Barack is a saint. 
I just know that the race is over, and Barack has earned the
nomination.  It’s time to move forward accordingly.  Hilary
should cease her self-serving, divisive, and irresponsible
campaign, and redeem her legacy, by putting forth every effort
to get Barack elected as the next President of The United
States of America.  There is no guarantee that he will win in
the general election, but again, he has earned the right to
compete as the democratic nominee.  Based on his brilliant
performance thus far, I have no doubt that Barack is ready to
lead our great country, and I have great faith that America
will hold true to its creed as well, by voting, “Yes we can!”
at the ballot box!
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:23 PM
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42. No candidate can guarantee us a win n November, of course.
All we can do is what we think is best.

:hi:
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s0ulablaze Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #42
51. Is that as opposed to what is fair?
Like following the agreed upon rules?
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:07 PM
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36. You sure can.
And pop off an email to HRC while you're at it. She is the proverbial turd in the punchbowl here.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:33 PM
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43. I don't see Sen. Clinton's continued campaign as a problem, particularly.
Politics is a lot like sausage-- if you enjoy eating it, it's often times better not to watch too closely how it's made.

This campaign has gone on for an unusually long time and everyone is (more or less) anxious for it to be over. Emotions are running high, and both the candidates and their supporters are tired and a lil' bit cranky; cranky people some times say and do things that, in retrospect, they would have said or done differently, had they been better rested.

As a party, we'll be fine when we emerge from Denver, and we'll kick Republican butt in November.

:)
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:40 PM
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44. boy oh boy
Do I hope you're right. :)
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:05 PM
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50. I'm human, so I could be wrong, but I don't think I am about this...
This state is all about rough-and-tumble, get-down-in-the-mud-blood-and-beer politics, so what a lot of people are seeing as a catastrophe in the making seems to me, at least, to be fairly routine and not much to worry about.

:)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:11 PM
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37. Kicked and recommended, embedded with a snarky McLame pic
:D


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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Thank you!
:hi:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:48 PM
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40. Hard to do that when our nominee is still dealing with friendly fire from the Clintons...
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:22 PM
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41. He's a big boy-- he'll be fine.
Sen. Obama is from Chicago, where politics is a blood sport. I've seen far worse, and so has he.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:45 PM
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45. The Obamites seem to believe that endlessly bashing Hillary will win it for us.
Who changes their vote because someone calls their candidate a liar every day of the week and twice on Sundays?

Don't answer that, Obamites. You might hurt yoursevles.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:54 PM
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48. To be fair, I see quite a bit of hostility going both ways.
It's not really one-sided and, frankly, that saddens me. At the end of the day, we're ALL Democats who despise Bush and don't want Sen. "meet the new boss-- same as the old boss" McCain.

We need to focus on that, rather than real or imagined intra-party slights and petty bickering.

:hi:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:47 PM
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46. Perfect and good
Jumping halfway across a ditch is not perfect -- unfortunately, it's not very good either.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:50 PM
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47. 5th rec for you
Even though I'm one of those people you wish to throttle - seriously tempted to vote Green at the moment.

However, if I lived in a purple state, I'd for damn sure put that clothespin on my nose and vote for him. Me no likee McCrazy.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Thank you, and thank you!
Nice to meet you.

:hi:
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