What do you you think all this is saying to independents?

For all the mess the Republicans have put the country in, what do you think this is saying to independents, and how McCain can use the current situation. "If the Democrats can't manage their own primary, and if their top politicians are so transparent in breaking the rules and subverting Democracy, do we really want them to run the country?" For all the talk about corrupt Republicans, their primary was run fairly cleanly, and the losers were gracious in defeat and embraced the winner and his policies. The Democrats right now are shown the worst kind of identity politics and corruption for power, and to independents who know a sure quantity like John McCain this won't be a good thing.

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NGU.

employ lies and the worst kind of gutter politics to have their way, SUBVERTING democracy and the rules, that is not a 'vigorous. messy, healthy, democracy'.

And nobody apart from hardcore Hillary supporters believes the fairytale that she actually has a legitimate chance to win. They know what's going on here.

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NGU.

I do feel that her behavior is beginning to reflect badly on the party and she has got into the business of making arguments will be cheerfully recycled by Republicans in the fall. For example 'Barack Obama was nominated by party elders in a smoke-filled back room - even a former President and First Lady said he had stolen his party's nomination. Are we going to let him steal the Presdidency? Paid for by Concerned Trolls of America.'

by the way, what does 'NGU' mean?

NGU = Never Give Up, my motto since 11/03/04. Thanks for asking! :hi:

NGU.

The system that has worked so well that it disqualified Dean for the 'scream'? That system? How has it survived, and is that survival a positive thing? I'd hope the system would die a fast death, and a new one reborn.

level officials who aren't calling her out and act as if what she's saying are not outright lies. The Clintons won't go away either after 2008. The independents see all these and know that these are the people who will rule this country. Will it cause a lot of them to shift. Perhaps not. Will it make enough of a shift to McCain, and coupled with fanatic Hill supporters who think she was wronger, perhaps shift the victory to the Republicans? Quite possibly? The Democrats have just proven that they are just as capable of making as much a huge fucking mess as Republicans. If you think Obama isn't in serious trouble right now as the nominee, then you're way too wishful thinking.

There is a reason that the Republicans are egging Clinton on. The more tramples on the rules and sensibilities of the party, the less trustworthy and competent the Democratic party looks.