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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:10 PM
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By: John Cole May 21, 2008 at 3:23 pm

No graceful exit in sight For Our Lady of Inevitability:

Hillary Rodham Clinton says she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far. In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.

The presidential candidate said Wednesday, “Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this.”

Clinton is calling for delegates from both states to be seated at the convention based on the primaries. Both states were stripped of their delegates because they voted early, violating national party rules. Clinton won both states; Barack Obama’s name wasn’t on the Michigan ballot.

Translation: “If this party doesn’t give me the nomination, I am gonna blow shit up.”

Once again, the hostage crisis metaphor is appropriate. A roll down memory lane, when Hillary discussed the Michigan election last October:

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10425">Video)

What a contemptible wretch Sen. Clinton has turned out to be, and I find it stunning that many Democratic blogs who routinely bitch about the various and numerous violations of rules, law, and international agreements by the Bush administration sit by and swallow this nonsense from the Senator Clinton.

*** Update ***

After courting the white vote for months in Appalachia, Mrs. Nixon informs us that seating Florida and Michigan are akin to the Civil Rights Movement. No. Seriously:

“This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic party,” she said. “From signing the Voting Rights Act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their commander in chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak.”


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Chait nails it:

This gambit by Clinton is simply an attempt to steal the nomination. It’s obviously not going to work, because Democratic superdelegates don’t want to commit suicide. But this episode is very revealing about Clinton’s character. I try not to make moralistic characterological judgments about politicians, because all politicians compromise their ideals in the pursuit of power. There are no angels in this business. Clinton’s gambit, however, truly is breathtaking.

If she’s consciously lying, it’s a shockingly cynical move. I don’t think she’s lying. I think she’s so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy. It’s not just that she’s convinced herself it’s okay to try to steal the nomination, she has also appropriated the most sacred legacies of liberalism for her effort to do so. She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency.

Misogynist!



Obama has clinched the pledged delegate majority for the three other scenarios. There are 212 superdelegates uncommitted.

Obama currently has 1965 total delegates, Hillary 1782, after adding the FL and MI delegates allocated under each scenario

Scenario 2 Nomination: 2103.5
Obama needs: 76.5
Hillary needs: 247.5 (35.5 more than the number of superdelegates remaining)

Scenario 3 Nomination: 2084.0
Obama needs: 86.5
Hillary needs: 251.5 (39.5 more than the number of superdelegates remaining)

Scenario 4 Nomination: 2162.5
Obama needs: 106.0
Hillary needs: 261.0 (49 more than the number of superdelegates remaining)

Hillary's best case scenario gives her 51 of the remaining 86 pledged delegates. Depending on the scenario agreed to, 3 to 16 superdelegates for Obama would leave Hillary having to rely on all the remaining super delegates plus a few of Obama's.

Obama will get at least 35 delegates from the remaining contests. He then needs only 41 to 71 supers or 20% to 34% of the remaining.


Hillary seems to be operating under the bizarre notion that increasing the margin between what Obama has and needs helps her.

Clinched is clinched.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:13 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:17 PM
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2. Hi, I'm one of the millions of women who voted for Obama. Hillary is disgusting. Robert E. Lee...
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:30 PM
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:32 PM
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4. very inappropriate.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:35 PM
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5. It's really well done
Edited on Wed May-21-08 07:35 PM by ProSense
Getting a lot of views here and here



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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:42 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:29 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:11 PM
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10. In addition to bizarre analogies, unlimited hypocrisy from Hillary's camp
Or why Clinton campaign senior adviser Harold Ickes, as a member of the DNC's rules and bylaws committee, voted to not recognize Michigan and Florida's delegates, thus -- I suppose -- taking for granted our precious right to vote.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:04 AM
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11. Evans Switches Support To Obama

Evans Switches Support To Obama

By Nikita Stewart and Marcia Davis
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 22, 2008; Page DZ01

D.C. Council member Jack Evans knows how to party -- and how to send a message.

The Ward 2 Democrat threw a big cookout Saturday to kick off his reelection bid. He used the occasion to give a shout-out to Sen. Barack Obama, who has been busy lately trying to lock up the Democratic presidential nomination.

The rub? Evans has long been a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). But Evans has decided to join the march of superdelegates who have begun to close ranks around the Democratic junior senator from Illinois.

Evans said he switched his support because Ward 2 overwhelmingly voted for Obama in the D.C. primary in February. He said he is most concerned about having a Democratic White House.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:07 AM
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12. Please, Lord, deliver us from this demon.
Soon!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:12 AM
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13. The light at the end of the tunnel may be a train
May 22, 2008

The light at the end of the tunnel may be a train

Posted May 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am

Just yesterday, I defended Hillary Clinton and her rationale for prolonging the Democratic nominating fight. Given that her own campaign chairman recently said the race would wrap up in early June, and Clinton seemed to honoring a relative cease-fire, there was no real urgency about her withdrawing.

As Jay Jacobs, a New York superdelegate and top fundraiser for Clinton, told the NYT, “I think in the end, when South Dakota and Montana go last and have their final result, she will sit back and see whether a win can be achieved or not — and if not, she is a class act and will do the class thing and get on board with the Democratic ticket.”

By last night, Clinton had made my defense of her efforts look rather foolish. In fact, looking back, I’ve defended Clinton, more than once, when people said she was putting her own interests above those of the party and the nation.

But after seeing her tactics yesterday, I’m done defending Hillary Clinton.

A day after Senator Barack Obama gathered a majority of pledged delegates in the Democratic presidential nominating contest, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defiantly sent out new signals Wednesday that she might take her fight for the nomination all the way to the party’s convention in August.

Mrs. Clinton stumped across South Florida, scene of the 2000 election debacle, pressing her case for including delegates from Florida and Michigan in the final delegate tally. On the trail and in interviews, she raised a new battle cry of determination, likening her struggle for these delegates to the nation’s historic struggles to free the slaves and grant women the right to vote.

I’m 35, and have been following politics for quite a while, and I’ve never been so disappointed with a politician I’ve admired and respected. Yesterday’s tactics weren’t just wrong, they were offensive. For that matter, they seem to be part of a deliberate strategy to tear Democrats apart and ensure a defeat in November.

For several weeks, I’ve appreciated the fact that Clinton considers herself the superior candidate, and has kept her campaign going in the hopes, from her perspective, of saving the party from itself. But after yesterday, it’s become impossible for me to consider Clinton’s intentions honorable. Her conduct is not that of a leader.

What’s so striking is the shamelessness of her reversal(s). When Florida and Michigan broke party rules and were punished by the DNC, Clinton not only supported the decision, she honored it and spoke publicly about those votes not counting. One of her own top strategists was responsible for making the decision in the first place. Now, Clinton is saying, “Never mind what I said and did before.”

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Hillary: “We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party.”




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