I'm a bit perplexed. What is Hillary playing at?

As everyone will acknowledge, Hillary is not a stupid person.

She knows she can't possibly win.

She also has to know that forcing the hands of the party leadership to step and end this is going to make getting any kind of meaningful role in the future that much more difficult.

Even the pundits are pretty much united behind ridiculing her extremely specious "popular vote" argument and the sexism card just looks...well, kind of pathetic.

Some people say she's angling for something big, but I am a bit leery of the argument that someone would risk hurting our party at this critical juncture for self-gain is really the kind of person we want in a high office. It's a hard behavior to defend.

People are dying while she's looking for an angle and if she keeps this up, her petulance may end up costing us any hope of rescuing our country from the brink the republicans have driven it to.

she can win. I know that fact REALLY drives you guys nuts, but it's true.

She's just running for President. So is your guy. One of them win, and we'll survive.

Living her life with Bill? Voting for the Iraq War?

that the SD will overturn the pledged delegates I will consider your argument.


Until then, you are blowing smoke.





We have been telling you people this for weeks. SHE CAN'T WIN..... please try to grasp the concept.

She's currently a senator from New York.... ;)

I know she wants them to do it but I asked for one who thinks it will happen.



Has she said "I am confident the super delegates will overturn the decision of the voters"? Or something to that effect?

"I think we will get delegates out of Florida and Michigan. I think the super delegates are not bound to support anyone. They don't have to stay with any person. They can make a decision today and change it tomorrow."

"And their job, according to the rules of the DNC, is to exercise independent judgment to determine who would be the best president, and who would be the better, stronger candidate against John McCain. And I think I have a stronger case."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/14/eveningnews/main4097478.shtml?source=mostpop_story

is some invented milestone. It's ultimately meaningless.

If he gets the majority of all the delegates, he'll become the nominee. Until then, it's a race.

She's in the same role he was in. If you said that about him, then cool.

has the majority he needs to get the nomination. Obama does not.

... in order to pursue something that is of very-low probability.

Doesn't seem helpful at all. She has the right to do it, but she should not be surprised if there's a penalty to be paid (other than her losing tens of millions of her own cash in the process).

it's not an assault on democracy.

in 2005. But it was pretty clear they were not going to see the pennant.

that they should break up the team and prevent them from finishing the season?

But it would be sad to hang out with the fans and hear them say "This'll be the year because we haven't been eliminated so far."

Will Pitt's notion that the trump is her and Bill's vice-grip on the inner Democratic machine controls seems plausible enough, however.

Why else would she stay in? Take on more and more debt?

Maybe she has some trick to play with the rules committee?

And you are correct, that the Clintons have far reaching tentacles into the Democratic machine.

A picture is worth 1024 words...

a wild guess...

We are still competing to see who the nominee will be. Let's let the candidates follow the primary rules and see who wins.

A la Humphrey and Mondale and McGovern.

Your and MonkeyFunk's denial is unrealistic.

has won this already is unrealistic.

If she was in DC having meetings in her brownstone instead of proclaiming herself Abe Lincoln, MLK, and Jesus Christ in Florida today I wouldn't be worried.

when she is told by reliable sources that she is wrong. She needs undeniable evidence shoved down her throat before she will stop trying to prove she can't possible be mistaken.



She said she could win this, she couldn't. She was wrong but just won't admit it.

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There was a post earlier today noting how unusual her delivery was, that she was reading a script and she was tenative and sticking to the exact reading of the text.

I think that she didn't like what she heard from the Obama campaign and wanted to up the ante.

But we will have to wait for the books to know for sure.

...and his supporters for stealing her throne.

Seriously.

She's hell bent on doing as much damage as possible.

There's no way she's angling for the vp slot. She's pissing off all of his supporters
and thwarting his chances in the GE.

The Clintons are the same ruthless bastards they've always been. Only this time, we're
their enemies, because we stole their entitlement.

This is purely driven by revenge.

Like hell, she cares about the voters in Fl and MI. Has she ever championed verified
voting? Paper trails? The situation in FL and MI is the excuse to continue the pain.

The Clintons are legendary for obliterating anyone who gets in their way. No one has
gotten in their way like Obama and his supporters are. They've destroyed people who
haven't given them their way over a vote.

Did any of us actually think they were going to make this easy?

My take: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6069124

Hope your week is going well, LV! :hi:

1. She's trying to convince her supporters that she is still in it to win it, so the cash flow will keep coming to pay off her campaign debts.

2. She wants the VP slot.

3. She's taking it to the convention to try to get the super delegates to vote for her and the pledged delegates to change their minds.

4. She's tearing the party apart so that mccain will win and she can regroup for 2012.

Take your pick. You can choose one or any combination of the above, or you can even add your own opinion as to what, one hillary rodham clinton is up to. Have fun. As for myself, hillary has become an ever changing enigma to me, but I have two in mind that that I feel pretty strongly about.

the Rules Committee will be so convinced that if they don't give her what she wants, that her voters, feeling that the election was stolen from her, will walk out on the Democratic Party.

She's playing a game of chicken. I think she still believes they are going to give her the nomination. She's batsh*t crazy with her own self-importance and her quest for power.

I also believe that she's going to find out it's not going to work, not this time, and she just might end up with nothing out of this. This is winner take all and she's not after the VP slot.

This is DLC versus DNC and I think for once that the DLC is going to lose (well except for when they always lose against the Republicans because they run Republican lite.)

We are witnessing the DNC ripping the reigns of the Democratic Party out of the DLC's cold dead hands. There will be absolutely no way that she will be Obama's running mate.

But one thing that just bewilders me is how "over the top" she goes on things. I mean, it's pretty predictable, even though I think it's an absolutely outrageous and unfounded comparison in my opinion, that she would compare this year to the Florida 2000 situation and try and exploiit that comparison. But invoking the "tragic" Zimbabwe election? The fuck? I didn't really think much of it (well, it was shocking, but Hillary Clinton is beginning to numb me to her shocks) until I saw the exact footage of her. I mean...I'm sorry, Zimbabwe? They had former Clinton press secretary Lisa Caputo on Dan Abrams tonight, and she not only defended the Zimbabwe comparison, but Geraldine Ferraro. It was sickening.

But she won't be able to do that without giving Obama 0 votes in Michigan. She'll pick up another 30,000 to 60,000 in the final 3 primaries. She's behind by 118,000 today counting things in the best possible way for her aside from giving Obama 0 in MI.

So it's really pointless. In reality she's probably just trying to raise enough funds to help make up the debt she's in. Dropping out would pretty much dry up the money.

...do research and explore our own little political pursuits...but a case like this reveals just how in the dark even a politically-savvy person is unless they're connected and can get inside information.

PB

I am now personally convinced that she has simply gone into a place inside her head where she actually is going to win the nomination after the delegates all are persuaded by ____ to switch their votes to her. Like the underwear gnomes of south park, she has the current situation all figured out, and she has the end result all figured out, she just can't quite figure out what that ____ is.

As a neocon puppet, all she has to do to collect her pay is keep talking until the bombs fall.

... superdelegates don't cast their votes until the convention. And that's a ways off - a lot of stuff could happen between now and then. He hasn't reached the 2025 with pledged delegates.

So your statement that she can't possibly win doesn't seem to stand up, mathematically.

Some people are just poor losers.

on saving the Democratic party.

She is now determined to scuttle Obama and the Democratic Party in the general election. Now that Obama has (reportedly) rejected her as VP, she's balls-to-the-wall for 2012. That is all. It takes a Hillary to destroy a village, to save it.