Ahem, excuse me.....

Super delegates don't vote until the convention.

and we missed out on it? I swear you guys move in a posting pack.

vile mouth piece has spoken. We must Parrot.

somewhere. Maybe the daily email begging for money.

as they parrot that day's talking-head talking points word for word.

Caucuses sucks, Obama is a sexist, so goes PR so goes the nation, there is something scary in Obama's closet but we don't want to share yet.

So many options.

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Isn't that fascinating?

the saint johns river runs south to north
it is considered a major river because of the volume of water it dumps into the sea each day

fine. the 'saint johns river' is now one of the major rivers of the world. sheesh. way to wreck a bad joke. thanks.

The St. Johns River (officially Saint Johns River, but commonly spelled St. John's River) is the longest river in the U.S. state of Florida, stretching 310 miles (500 km) from Indian River County to the Atlantic Ocean in Duval County. The St. Johns River is the second longest river in the United States that flows in a generally northwards direction. It was designated as one of the American Heritage Rivers in 1997 and pegged by an environmental organization as the 6th Most Endangered River in America in 2008. <1>.

The elevation change from headwaters to mouth is only about 30 feet, making the St. Johns one of the world's "laziest" rivers<1>. Its extremely low velocity, combined with the generally level elevation, causes the St. Johns to spread out to a great width for much of its course. During periods of low flow, the river can be influenced by tides as far south as Lake Monroe - 161 miles inland<1>. For a distance of over twenty miles before arriving at downtown Jacksonville, the river's average width exceeds two miles, and in some places, exceeds three miles in width. The slow flow of the St. Johns makes it difficult for pollutants to be flushed from the waters, which has become a serious problem for the river ecosystem<1>. Still, the river is home to numerous species of plants and animals. It is not uncommon to see dolphins in the river east of Jacksonville and manatees in the springtime when the water warms up. Alligators, bald eagles, ospreys, stingrays, and many species of fish—both salt and fresh water—are found living in the river and on its banks. The entire basin is managed by the St. Johns Water Management District.


pretty major

Length 6,650 km (4,132 mi)
Basin 3,400,000 km² (1,312,747 sq mi)
Discharge
- average 2,830 m³/s (99,941 cu ft/s)

That is a major river. One of the planet's great rivers.

Length: 310 mi (500 km)
Basin 8840 square miles
Discharge: 664 cu ft/s

That is not a major river. It is the largest river in Florida. Half of it is tidal.


The longest rivers in the United States:
Missouri: 2,540 miles
Mississippi: 2,340 miles
Yukon: 1,980 miles
Rio Grande: 1,900 miles
St. Lawrence: 1,900 miles
Arkansas: 1,460 miles
Colorado: 1,450 miles
Atchafalaya: 1,420 miles
Ohio: 1,310 miles
Red: 1,290 miles
Brazos: 1,280 miles
Columbia: 1,240 miles
Snake: 1,040 miles

its people like you who single handedly decide what constitutes a great river that are holding americas rivers back
bah
bah i say

if you make one more crack about the saint johns river im going to vote for the
cane creek in etowah tennessee and you and your "great" river can do without my vote OR my support

now we wait for her to bow out gracefully, or be gently nudge to the curb. Her choice.

aren't really 'pledged' according to your twisted logic because the only time they're truly 'pledged' is when they vote at the Convention, against the wishes of the voters in the caucus states and the primary states according to Hillary's logic in getting the nomination.

not voted.

delegates vote in her favor, even if they're from states Obama won, which then would defeat the entire idea of having a Democratic primary in the first place.

after that, they can do what they want.

"woman on the verge of a nervous breakdown"......

to back off, but at that point it becomes impossible for her to win. Delegates have never once in the history of the party gone back from the point of presumptive nomination.

Everyone knows if we drag this to the convention Dems lose. Dragging it to the convention is like a murder-suicide. Dragging it to the convention ensures a McCain Presidency.

Looks to me that this is a good way of showing the Ds nationally and keeping interest focused on the Ds rather than on the Rs.

Does history mean nothing? Are you not fucking paying attention? If we ignore history it is to our own peril.

Her dragging this thing to convention IS a 2008 murder-suicide. She's now hoping 2012 will be her year and is willing to fuck over the party and hand the white house to McCain to best position herself for that.

Yes, please expound on the relevance of the 1912 experience to today's political process.

Fuck, I knew Clinton's demographics skewed older, but... 1912? :rofl:

hillary will win the nomination because everyone will feel sorry for her...

you mean by "superdelegates don't vote until the convention?" Neither do pledged delegates. At 2025 delegate endorsements, though, a candidate is presumed to be the nominee. At the convention, that is made official.

Technically, John McCain is not the nominee. Their delegates don't vote until the convention either.

is sewn up after NH.

Hillary has a right to go to the convention and I hope she does just that.

Obama has won. That is the situation, that has been the situation, and that will be the situation in Denver. Clinton is dragging this out, and dragging her faithful supporters along with her, for no good reason.

she's out of options at 2025. There is literally nothing she can do except beg.

More delegates is more delegates. Period.

You can lose an election by 1 vote. Its still a loss, not "open for debate"

oh wow.

and has played this role for quite some time. The nominee has not actually been chosen in any real sense 'at the convention' in my entire life. But you know that. You are not an idiot, you are just making arguments for the sake of arguing.

... candidate (say, Obama) to another (say, Clinton) at any time between.

then Edwards should come in a make a case for the Superdelegates to pick him throwing the nomination process to a second ballot and hoping for the best. In other words, using the "superdelegates can change their minds" argument is bullshit. If either Obama or Clinton use this argument I would assume they are fucking delusional.

Especially if she's ahead in the popular vote, and way ahead (as she is) counting the electoral votes in the states she's won.

which is none. Edwards can claim that the two candidates are tainted and the party needs a new start. That is just as good to use as the bullshit meme about Hillary winning the popular vote.

I think Hillary could actually win on the first ballot if the superdelegates decide she is best to beat John McCain, and simply voter for her.

I mean, mathematically speaking, seems like a chance to me. Of course, I'm just a math teacher. What do I know?

... she's taking a measured risk. It may pay off, may not. But certainly she has some chance of making it work.

from 30 points up, with 200 superdelegates day of endorsement, with 98% name recognition and 80% favorability in the party, with more cash than anyone in history before her...to $20M in debt, 20 points down, and with no realistic shot left? Was it her brilliant strategy to ignore caucus states, or was it her intelligent plan to concentrate on only a few big states, letting Obama rack up huge margins everywhere else?

I also used to think she was a savvy politician. This campaign has disabused me of that notion. She hasn't a clue.

How about you? Unless I'm mistaken, you're just another guy talking shit on the internet. Senator certainly pays better.

I think she's done pretty well considering the media has been carrying Obama on their shoulders, gushing over his ambiguous 'hope-and-change' message, playing along with this refusal to fuzz up the plebeians heads with too many specifics. Every article they've written about her has come with a 'but...', and here she is with a lead in the popular vote.

That ought to count for something, if you consider it seriously.

... Florida and Michigan and discount FOUR CAUCUS STATES of which the total votes are still not known.

She agreed and signed the agreement, even called the primary election in Michigan "a beauty contest" for all it's voting.

Now, of course, she's lost against an unknown black man far more savvier than her snootiness could've comprehended, and by the very rules she herself agreed to, now she's the Grand Crusader of Michigan and Florida voters?

Tell me honestly... What difference is there between Bush and Clinton aside from the fact Bush at least comes right out and tells everyone he's a Republican?

Multiply zero all you like, and you still end up with zero.

and end this race. She can still be the recipient of their support. But what if they decide to back Obama in June? What is she going to say? "I am sticking around just in case you morons change your minds at the convention?" Come on!

What's your point?

And yet.... we've had presumptive nominees prior to the convention most years....

Duh, he won't be the nominee - but he WILL be the PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE. Just like McCain's not the nominee yet.

Guess the pundits are full of shit.

*NO* delegates vote until the convention.

so who do you think all those delegates at the Republican Convention are voting for.


To pretend that we cannot understand what a delegate is going to do until the actually vote is infantile.

Deal with it.

Care to go over all the rules? There are thousands that apply here.

Hilliary lost, please come back to reality.