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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:23 PM
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August 2007: Clinton operatives on DNC rules committee vote to strip FL of all 210 delegates
Edited on Wed May-21-08 09:33 PM by NormaR
Hillary has known all along what the rules were and her campaign strategist, Harold Ickes, and her operatives on the DNC rules committee, were directly involved in the stripping of Michigan and Florida's delegates:


On Aug. 25, when the DNC's rules panel declared Florida's primary date out of order, it agreed by a near-unanimous majority to exceed the 50 percent penalty called for under party rules. Instead, the group stripped Florida of all 210 delegates to underscore its displeasure with Florida's defiance and to discourage other states from following suit. In doing so, the DNC essentially committed itself, for fairness' sake, to strip the similarly defiant Michigan of all 156 of its delegates three months later. Clinton held tremendous potential leverage over this decision, and not only because she was then widely judged the likely nominee. Of the committee's 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida's full disenfranchisement. (The only dissenting vote was cast by a Tallahassee, Fla., city commissioner who supported Obama.)

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After ignoring Florida and Michigan for months, the Clinton campaign soon couldn't say enough nice things about them. "Tonight Michigan Democrats spoke loudly for a new beginning," then-campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle exulted over Clinton's victory there on Jan. 15. "Your voices matter. And as president, Hillary Clinton will not only keep listening, but will make sure your voice is always heard."



http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/


HELLO? FLORIDA? DID YOU SEE THIS PART: Of the committee's 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida's full disenfranchisement.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:25 PM
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1. 08?
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:26 PM
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4. That also threw me off. But I believe it is a mistake. n/t
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:25 PM
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2. kicking for dishonesty
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:26 PM
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3. You mean 8/25/07 right?
Agree with the article though.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:28 PM
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5. 2007. And RECOMMENDED. It's good when we call them out on the hypocrisy. n/t
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:28 PM
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6. Obama Is No Better Than Bush! Florida and Michigan Must Count!
Anarchy! Anarchy! Anarchy!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:34 PM
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11. You want anarchy, fine.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZ_9-rbslo

But Florida still don't count
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:28 PM
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7. typo, but worth a rec
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:30 PM
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8. Is it too late to change your title
It os an eye opener.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:31 PM
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9. oops! fixed!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:00 PM
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14. Great! Thanks for the thread
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:32 PM
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10. K/R. Edit your title.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:34 PM
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12. fixed?
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:44 PM
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13. Yes. Thanks for the thread!
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:02 PM
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15. .
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:22 PM
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16. when questioned about having voted for these rules Bill Clinton's response
was that "no one thought about the consequences of that decision".

So let me get this straight, neither you, Hillary or her political operatives who sat on the rules committee thought about the consequences of stripping FL and MI of their delegates? And this makes Hillary qualified to be President HOW? She makes decisions without considering the consequences of her actions....seems to me we already had 8 years of somebody doing that.

IMHO
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:25 PM
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17. Translation: We didn't think Hillary would need them so they
didn't count - then.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:14 PM
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21. great. answer, Bill! geeez
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:05 PM
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18. K&R
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 PM
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19. Oh, oh, oh..... that is juicy good - k/r - nt
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:13 PM
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20. Shame on you for telling the truth and showing how a certain candidate is keen on talking out of
both sides of her mouth.
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:35 PM
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22. Bill and Hillary will get what they deserve! KnR!
:kick:
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM
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23. K&R! And this post should act as a "hillbot-repellent"... too much fact in it n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:55 PM
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24. Even the Gov. of NY backs up NormaR plus all the witnesses and facts



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6078814&mesg_id=6078814
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