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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:36 PM
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What do you think about Webb as VP?
What are the pros and cons of this possibility?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:37 PM
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1. He's Perfect, AFAIK
He'll appeal to the lunchpail crowd that Clinton is now co-opting.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:52 PM
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29. If you want to give the finger to half the party and lose in Nov by no Hill as VP - he's great
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:57 PM
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53. The loser doesn't get VP. The loser simply loses.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:27 PM
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55. Considering his whole platform is change
and getting rid of politics as usual, I don't see how that would make much sense.

And, I certainly don't see it working. Can you imagine Bill , a former president himself, taking a back seat as spouse of a VP.
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:38 PM
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2. Big con - we need him as Senator in Virginia (nt)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:38 PM
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3. Cons: Controversy with Women in the past
Pros: Everything else about him.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:43 PM
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16. This is my concern. McCain would counter with a woman VP
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:50 PM
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28. NO WAY! IMO, the republican party is as misogynistic as it is racist.
;) ... the foregoing is a little brusque but HOLDS TRUE for those within the right wing of the party, i.e., their beloved base. :evilgrin:

No way would "bully boy" McCain select a woman to be his running mate.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:58 PM
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33. If he does...so what?
We're trying to get the best team into the GP. If that is Webb, then he's ours. Having a woman Veep on McCain's ticket doesn't "un-lame" Republican policy.

Duke
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:53 PM
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51. Which woman would McCain choose as V.P.?
All of the major frontrunners for the Republican V.P. position are male.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:47 PM
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24. Webb has made amends for his "swaggering" lack of confidence in regard to the
Edited on Wed May-21-08 10:47 PM by ShortnFiery
capabilities of Women in Combat from the 1970s. He has evolved not unlike my older brothers SLOWLY did from those bad ol' days of women's integration into the REGULAR military (1974).

Personally, as a woman and Army Veteran, I hold no resentments because Webb now recognizes the profound achievements of Women in the Armed Forces. :shrug:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:32 PM
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41. What woman would he choose?
All of the major frontrunners for the male V.P. position are men. McCain does not have the complete luxury of choosing whoever he wants since his conservative base is far from solidified right now.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:36 PM
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43. First let me say I'm a Huge Webb fan for VP
Possible women on the ticket are: Sebelius and Napolitano, with a longshot of Barbara Boxer.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:47 PM
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47. No, talking about McCain
Didn't you say that McCain might choose a female V.P.? Which woman would McCain choose?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:49 PM
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48. Oh, you responded to the wrong person.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:52 PM
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50. Sorry
:patriot:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:54 PM
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52. To answer your question, I can only think of Condi or Kay-Bailey Hutchinson
I donnt think he chooses either. I hope he chooses the Governor of Louisiana.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:42 PM
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56. Napolitano has some issues that would sink that ticket fast.
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OneAmerica Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:38 PM
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4. I'd actually like to see him go for Hagel.
But I do think Webb would be a good choice too.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:40 PM
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8. According to the ticket polling by SUSA
Obama-Hagel was the worst ticket among Obama-Rendell, Obama-Sebelius, and Obama-Edwards.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:43 PM
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14. Dont trust the SUSA polling
Nobody outside of those respective states knows Sebelius, Hagel, or Rendell. Like in PA, an Obama-Rendell ticket does very well, but in CA not so much. THey are unknowns and when matched against McCain and a known such as Huckabee or Romney, they will lose.


ALso no to Hagel
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:39 PM
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5. Too inexperienced
Obama needs someone who knows the ins and outs of how Congress works.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:41 PM
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10. I completely disagree
You always hear about how Governors would be good choices, and they hardly know the ins and outs of Congress. Not to mention, Webb has other very important experience including being Secretary of the Navy.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:49 PM
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26. By experienced I meant someone who knows .........
.......where the skeletons are buried and the various legal proceedures of Congress to help speed the reformations Obama hopes to achieve in the shortest possible time.

The greatest weapon McCain and the GOP have against Obama in the GE is the perception of inexperience.

And unlike our primaries where Obama beat Clinton trying that strategy, in the GE independents and the moderate Republicans place a greater degree of importance on that subject.



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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:54 PM
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31. I dont think they will credibly be able to say Webb is inexperienced
And I think to help with the inner workings of Congress, I think Daschle would make a great Chief of Staff.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:59 PM
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34. Why are so many who are against Hagel because he's Republican
....embracing Webb who was Republican up until he ran for the Senate?

Between the two (if I had to choose, and neither of them are my first choice) Hagel not only has more experience, but he seems to have a far better temperment as far as possibly saying the wrong thing during the heat of a campaign.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:01 PM
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35. Hagel is right on the war, that is it
Look at his other positions and you will cringe. I'm up for Hagel as Sec of Defense however.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:41 PM
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12. He's got Daschle on his team.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:40 PM
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6. Like it
Pros: Lots of experience. Bull dog. Good cop/bad cop ticket. One of the very same Appalachia Whites Obama has trouble with. Much more of a maverick than Mccain. Nullifies Mccain's military experience. Might give Obama a small boost in VA. Extremely intelligent. Knows what he is talking about. Moderate.

Cons: Risk of being swift-boated (or "swift-booked" in this case). Accused by some of being a bit whiney and manipulative. Name recognition is lower than other choices so he risks being defined by the GOP. Risk of gaffe during campaigning/debating because he is a bit hot headed. Will be 70 in 2016 so might be too old to be a pres. candidate.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:44 PM
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18. Could always pick a new veep for '12
to ensure continuity. I like his military background and former GOP ties as it will show Obama reaching across the aisle.

I really think we need someone with military experience to counter McCain.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:40 PM
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7. Yep, I agree with post #2... We need Webb in the Senate... I would love to see..
him as VP, but we need him in the most important position for his State...
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:41 PM
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9. I'm mildly obsessed with the idea.
I think he'd be perfect.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:44 PM
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17. I'm mildly obsessed as well
Especially after seeing him move back on his absolute denial, and reading that he is less conservative than I thought. I had thought he would be anti-choice and anti civil unions. I'm happy to find out I was wrong on both fronts.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:45 PM
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23. He and Obama are both hungry to break apart the old system, too.
I think he's perfectly in line with Obama's campaign meme of change.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:41 PM
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11. I love him as a VP
but his fiction could get him raked across the coals - already has. Last night on Terry Gross he said he had no interest in VP. Said he was very happy being a citizen politician and enjoys being able to have time to pursue intellectual pursuits while still serving his country. (heavy paraphrasing)
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:42 PM
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13. Love it. But how long will it take for stupid people to go after him for his wife
not being WHITE.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:43 PM
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15. He's my first choice
Edited on Wed May-21-08 10:43 PM by Hailtothechimp
Not that I actually have a say, of course.

My second choice is Mike Bloomberg, but New York is a given, anyway so it probably won't happen.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:44 PM
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19. Webb's great, but he's better in the Senate, and VA Gov. Tim Kaine is term limited so I prefer Kaine
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:45 PM
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22. What's Kaine's resume?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:53 PM
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30. "Culture of Life" Democrat (like Nat Hentoff minus the left-liberalism).
Former missionary. Catholic from Richmond.
Moderate to liberal on other social issues.
Considered liberal for Virginia because he opposes the death penalty.
Comes across as somewhat Dukakis-ish.

He is the term-linited Governor of VA (one term in office max).
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:56 PM
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32. In overall "experience," I dont think its wise to choose somebody less experienced than Obama
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:39 PM
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44. Someone with a long "inside the beltway" resume muddies the change message because those type of VP
candidates are avatars of the status quo.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:41 PM
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45. But I like those who have non-Washington legislative experience
Like Webb, Sebelius, Richardson (I know he was in the House, but him as governor and ambassador), Clark.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:47 PM
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46. Clark = legislative experience??? I like Sebelius, but who votes for Obama-Sebelius that doesn't
already vote for Obama-Whoever? She doesn't bring even one single electoral vote with her. I'd love to see her as a future presidential nominee, but as a potential VP she doesn't bring enough to the table (for my taste).
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:51 PM
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49. I'm saying Clark doesnt bring the Inside the beltway experience that Obama doesnt need.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:10 PM
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38. Its actually kind of like Obama's
He went to Harvard Law after spending a year as a Catholic missionary in Honduras. Practiced law in Richmond, VA for 17 years, specializing in representing people who had been denied housing opportunities because of their race or disability. Taught legal ethics for 6 years at University of Richmond Law School. Richmond City Council for four years. Mayor of Richmond for four years. Lieutenant Governor for four years. Governor for two years.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:36 PM
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42. Harvard Law, Catholic missionary, Mayor, Lt Gov, Gov - very "outside the beltway." Not only does he
lock Virginia, he also appeals to a demographic where Obama could use a boost.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:45 PM
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20. Bad idea. Terrible idea, in fact.
He showed terrible judgment in the past, voting for Bush and Macaca.

He wrote an article called "Women Can't Fight" which became an issue during the 2006 race.

He wrote a book with the whole "penis in mouth" passage, which would create unnecessary controversy.

He would give angry female Hillary supporters all the reason they need to vote McCain or stay home.

He just got into the Senate.

He barely won his Virginia Senate seat. Like Edwards, there's no guarantee he'd help us with the state.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:50 PM
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27. You make some good points
Who do you favor?
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:05 PM
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36. it pains me, because he is really growing on me
as a VP pick. But I agree, I'm afraid of the "Women can't Fight" article (even if it was from '79, of course it would be brought up, and we can't really afford to piss off female Hillary supporters on the sexism issue).

Lol. And of course the "penis in mouth" passage in the book would be brought up, which is ironic, because...John McCain offered this book review for him as part of the marketing for Webb's book!

“James Webb’s new novel paints a portrait of a modern Vietnam charged with hopes for the future but haunted by the ghosts of its war-torn past. It captures well the lingering scars of the war, and exposes the tension between the dynamism of a new generation and the invisible bondage of an older generation for whom wartime allegiances, and animosities, are rendered no less vivid by the passage of time. A novel of revenge and redemption that tells us much about both where Vietnam is headed and where it has been.”
— Senator John McCain

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780440240914&view=quotes
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:45 PM
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21. I like him, but I'd vote for Obama with or without him.
Think he is best where he is now. What about Zinni?
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:05 AM
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54. Obamazinni? I think not. nt
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:48 PM
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25. It's not going to be a Senator
Two senators on a ticket is a long shot unless the senator has executive experience.

My gut is telling me Strickland or Schweitzer.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 PM
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37. Im sorta partial to Mr. Casey
I just like his voice.
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latinolatteliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:11 PM
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39. I once hated this idea. Now I just merely dislike it.
I guess I tend to discount the idea that the VP pick will actually help us all that much. I place more importance on who I would like to see running in 8 years. And because I think Webb has a reputation for being more centrist, I'd rather pass. However, if I'm comfortable with the idea of our VP pick taking over in 8 years, I'm all too happy to consider what states he/she may help Senator Obama win. That's why I've been a fan of Richardson... maybe Sebelius.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:23 PM
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40. Con -- Obama should pick a woman IMHO; Pro -- Webb opposed Iraq War Resolution; other factors:
I think Obama should run with a woman on the ticket NOT HILLARY. Although she might not be happy with that (she could be otherwise 'rewarded' if Obama wins), my sense is that the overwhelming majority of those who support her (and would in Nov) but are reluctant to support Obama would be won over easily, especially by a good pick. My favorite is Sen Boxer, who has foreign policy background galore, strong on Greenhouse (for a pol), very appealing and charismatic, no serious baggage AFAIK, unifying, upbeat, likely to help considerably in FL and some other states, VOTED NO ON IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION (IWR), extremely knowledgeable about policy and capable. Stabenow, Sebelius and probably Napolitano (don't know a whole lot about any of these) would strike me as a better choice than any male.

Having a female running mate would be both good realpolitik at this point, AND it is high time the USA had a woman not only on a ticket (as in 84) but on a WINNING ticket, which is highly possible this year.

Hillary would, IMHO, actually probably COST Obama votes instead of boosting him -- too much baggage, too many negatives (not all of them fair), too divisive, and in her handling of the campaign, she is far from entirely innocent of the last problem. But the other women mentioned might in each case put Obama over the top. That may seem like crass reasoning to some, but we're talking about the possibility of President McCain, who still insists on "winning" (whatever that means) the war in Iraq.

On the other hand, as males go, Webb is one of the better ones. He opposed IWR back when, appeals to DLC crowd without necessarily being one of them, might help carry Ohio even if VA won't be brought (good chance) into Obama camp, etc. Other similarly strong candidates who are male (all less choice picks than the abovementioned women) are Schweitzer, possibly Richardson (more electorally than in terms of the presidency -- he's really another Clinton Democrat not new politics). Kaine is a possibility Webb is in this top tier of males.

Less preferable than Webb would be a turn to the DLC, whether Hillary Clinton or Clark or Strickland. I am less impressed with Edwards as VP (didn't exactly superboost Kerry) than many on DU
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