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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:18 PM
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Jim Webb on populism, Rubinomics, and his grandparents during the depression.
When I watched him tonight on Countdown, I was impressed with his explanation of the Scots Irish people. I have done a lot of genealogical research, and one, maybe two, of my lines came into the US through North Carolina. I have followed some as they traveled south west into Georgia and Alabama. They all ended up coming to Florida eventually.

I have read family books from others who have researched these lines, and they were a proud, strong, and may I say stubborn bunch. I am like Webb, I do not like the stereotyping. There were other factors in play. One of them was the way Hillary and Bill Clinton were campaigning there...which did not help.

Webb's comments:

ABC interview with Webb

Webb, whose 2005 book Born Fighting looks at how the Scots-Irish have shaped America, said Wednesday that he bristles when it is suggested that racism is behind Obama's paltry performance among this group.

"When I hear people say this is racism, it gets my back up a little bit because that's my cultural group," said Webb. "This isn't Selma, 1965."

During his Wednesday interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Webb touted a 2004 op-ed he wrote for The Wall Street Journal in which he not only argued that diversity programs have had "an unequal impact" on white ethnic groups but also expressed his hope that an alliance could one day be forged with African Americans.

"The key thing," said Webb, is "if this cultural group could get at the same table with black America, you could really change American politics because they have so much in common in terms of what they need out of government."


I also remembered his interview with the Washington Post in June of last year. He spoke of his grandparents in Arkansas and how they weathered the Great Depression. Only a good man can be so simple, clear and eloquent in explaining something like this.

I remember my grandparents and parents talking about the hardships during that time, so this was hitting home.

Jim Webb speaks of his grandparents in Arkansas during the depression..

Sen. Jim Webb is talking about his mother's family, which lived in hardscrabble eastern Arkansas during the Great Depression and was so poor "there was nothing -- not even money." The Democrats built their party around such people, Webb is saying, while the Republicans never cared about them.


Webb quoted a part of a song by Alabama..Song of the South.

"Well somebody told us Wall Street fell,

But we were so poor that we couldn't tell.

Cotton was short and the weeds were tall.

But Mr. Roosevelt's a-gonna save us all."


Here is more of what he said in that interview that was impressive.

That kind of populist anger is part of the Democrats' past, and Webb argues that it's the party's future as well. But he worries that "the people at the top of the party don't comprehend the power of that message" and that as a result the Democrats may miss their best chance in a generation to reconnect with the American middle class.

"The Democrats need to embrace the fact that the greatest issue in America today is economic fairness," he says.
He argues that if the Democrats construct a "fairness agenda" that tilts toward workers and away from corporations and the rich, "they will win big." John Edwards hasn't had much luck so far with the issue, which he has made the centerpiece of his presidential campaign. But some influential Democrats, including former Treasury secretary Lawrence Summers, share the focus on fairness.


Jim Webb had some not so kind words for Robert Rubin and his Rubinomics during the Clinton administration.

Webb says the future of the Dem party lies in rejecting Rubin wing of party.

"He criticized what he called 'the Rubin wing of the Democratic Party,' after Robert E. Rubin, former President Bill Clinton's Treasury secretary, saying those Democrats share the same problem as many Republicans: 'We're not paying attention to what has happened to basic working people in the country.' He said of the freshman Senate Democrats, six of them take a 'populist' view, and said they are bringing needed reinforcements to the Senate: 'We've got a number of us that pretty well see the economic issues the same way. I think that's the Democratic Party of the future."


Only 6 in the Senate with such views. Not nearly enough.

Webb reminds me of some members of my mostly Republican family. Other than their failure to see through Bush and the dangers he brought this country...they have accomplished much and have a common sense way about them. I see that in Webb, though I know some of his views are more conservative than mine.

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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:00 AM
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1. I am reading "A Time To Fight"
His strengths are considerable. He is strongly pro-labor in a state which ranks 48th in union membership. He was the first statewide candidate in VA history to walk the picket line in support of a strike. In 1989, he helped the United Mine Workers win an important battle against the Pittston Steel Company. This is very important, as the Democratic Party needs to reclaim its working-class roots.

His stance against Bush and the Iraq quagmire is his second pillar of strength. His background in national security runs deep, and as a Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam, he won the second and third highest medals given for combat. There will be no 'swiftboating' of him.

No ghostwriters needed. He is an acclaimed author of both fiction and non-fiction, including several major screenplays. He shuns pollsters, lobbyists, and focus groups.

He is pro-choice.

Certainly, there is no such thing as the perfect politician, or we'd have to run for office ourself. To point:

It is true he served as Asst. Sec'y of Defense during Reagan's last term, and Sec'y of the Navy for the last of those 4 years. But when Congress mandated defense budgest cuts in 1988, Webb resigned after fighting diligently within the Pentagon to preserve fleet infrastructure and personnel. He lost to the Pentagon faction who wanted to spend the reduced budget heavily on SDI and other weapons boondoggles. Webb saw how this would hurt the integrity of the fleet, being sacrificed for contractor greed. Although he expresses admiration for Reagan (the senator's biggest flaw for old-school liberals like me), you have to wonder what he thought of the PATCO strike-breaking and other anti-union actions by the Great Prevaricator. He is much too independent-minded to be eagerly embraced by either party, as was evidenced in the race against Allen. But I am certainly happy that he reclaimed his Democratic roots, as relayed through moving stories of his grandparents, parents, uncles, aunts, and cousins.

He is passionate about restoring sanity to our national security policy, fiscal policy, and labor policy. If Obama wants to make 'change' real and lasting, he would do well to pick someone who can help him get there. I am leaning heavily in favor of Webb being on the ticket. By the time I finish the book in the next day or two, I will most likely be there fully. A most impressive background and resume, from a person of formidable intellect, character and integrity. True to his Scots-Irish roots (for which I share a great deal), he is a born fighter.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:03 AM
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2. Obama/Webb!
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progdog Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:31 AM
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9. Ditto!
n/t
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:08 AM
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3. With the recent concern over Appalachia and possible racism....
..I found Jim Webb's comments to be very informative and thought provoking..

And although I prefer a VP pick from the West--Webb has more strengths than just national security credentials and might be of some help in reaching out to these working people we are wondering about..
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:23 AM
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4. I read his book, "Born Fighting", during his campaign in 06.
I was even able to get it autographed! I thought it was very well written. He has a unique perspective on things. I'm a big Webb fan. I really hope Obama asks him to be VP. I'm not sure if Webb wants the job but I think he would do it if asked.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:25 AM
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5. He's really backed away from the "I'm not interested" answer he gave to the Hill
Now he is saying when asked that it is Obama's choice on who the VP will be.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:31 AM
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6. Great report on Webb, mad..thanks.
He seems to get it just fine and I imagine it really makes him mad to have bilary over there in North Carolina, Kentucky, and West Virginia trying to divide us when he knows how with some talking with someone like him and Obama it could all be so different.
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:31 AM
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7. NOT VP!!!!


Jim Webb is the man we need for Senate Majority leader. An economic populist that will not shy from a fight, that's our man. More than anybody in my lifetime, he reminds me of Truman.

I'm Scots-Irish, ex-Marine, Vietnam veteran, and I have loved Jim Webb from the moment I read "fields of Fire" in 1978. His coming home to his Democratic roots - and knocking Allen out of that Senate seat, and this years primaries - has been my personal political highlight of the past 7 years.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM
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13. Agree.....We need Webb in Senate ....plus his personality doesn't seem to me to
be a good fit with Obama. Webb is very strong-willed personality...Obama has a lighter touch and a VP should be more of a background figure. I felt John Edwards outshone John Kerry...pointing up his stiffness. It didn't seem to work well even though I believe they won...because Ohio was mess up by Rove.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:21 AM
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8. As a Mac/O'R myself I ask why the hell would my brethren vote for union busting candidates like
they did with Reagan? The Repuks are no help to the working person no matter what race or sex.

I asked it then and I ask it now. Are you guys crazy?

This Reagan democrat rush to the right has been a disaster from start to finish.

These are my people and I say outright we have US to blame for much of this mess. Back in college trying to explain to people back home who did not get to go to college that voting for Regan was NOT a good idea and would be in your worst interest was like selling tea at a whore house. Maybe a couple of Brits would buy but no "true Americans."

Well as Webb points out they felt "if they were poor and white they were out of sight."

How visible do you feel now? With your jobs everywhere but in your country? With oil at over 13o bucks a barrel? Didn't your parents tell you the truth of politics? Yes, they are all wealthier that you, and yes most of them are in it for the wrong reasons BUT when you vote Democrat you can bet you get a bigger piece of the American Pie. Whether it be a small slice or a few scraps depends on how hard you work your representatives but at least with the party of the working people you have a chance.

And white people and black people in the working class need to smarten up and realize they all work too hard and get too little. But it's not at each other's throats we need to be. It's at the grindstone working hard to get a representative government into place that remembers what this country was built for and by whom it was built. And it wasn't a bunch of fancy dancers and Bushians. They came later to live off the sweat of others.

Do I sound populist enough for ya'? Do I sound like I'm baiting the class war? Well that's only because our middle class is almost extinct and our working class is under assault and I feel a call to arms is well past due.

I only hope it's not too late and that the call is not ignored like the warnings about Reaganomics were. I also hope we have a unified convention unlike the one before the election of St. ronnie the rat. The time is upon us for redemption from the right wing politics that have so degraded our standard of living.

The right wing of the rethug party used fear, hate, and the ridiculous idea that yesterday was better than tomorrow to drive this county nearly into the dark ages in terms of science and the public interest and to turn a forward looking world leading country into the deficit ridden, fear factored, moral ambiguity of a country we see today.

Well my fellow Macs, Mcs and O's if Webb is right and he seems like a bright guy to me the time to put up or shut up is here. Do you want four more years of the same old same old or are you willing to do something extraordinary? The needs of black working people and the needs of white working people are the same. And what they for sure do not need is John McCain who may have the name but does not have the best interests of working Americans in his heart. His record speaks for itself. Please let us not be fooled again.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:57 AM
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10. I like Webb. Populist, honest, and pro-choice on guns (unlike the "Rubin wing", on all points).
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:49 AM
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11. I listened to him on Fresh Air Tuesday.
I'm constantly impressed with his ability to communicate. But I was astounded that, with all of his achievements in the military and the Political world, that he considers himself first and foremost a writer.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90595861">Listen to interview here.
Link at top of story.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:45 PM
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14. Yes, he has a refreshing way of communicating
Not too many people have that.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:02 PM
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12. I just finished reading The Emperor's General, and I got to tell
you, I was flabbergasted. A running theme of the the book is MacArthur's judicial murder of General Yamashita Tomoyuki for war crimes as part of a deal with the real criminals in Tokyo. Going through it, all I could think of was Bush's murder of Saddam Hussein for 9/11 when the real people behind it were all from Saudi Arabia. (As evil as Saddam was, I'm not convinced that he ever technically broke any laws.) Bush and his entire bunch are in real trouble after the election. I believe that one way or another Webb will see them in prison!


BTW, the book was written in 1999, and my copy has a back cover blurb from John McCain!
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blkirish03 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:37 PM
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15. Jim Webb Gets It

Jim Webb's explanation of what has been going on with white voters in the primaries in Appalachia is brilliant. He really has his finger on the pulse of what is going on in lower income voters. To boil it down, what is happening in the elections is not racism but rather class warfare. Folks at the bottom are drowning in this country and will grab onto anyone to help to keep themselves afloat - even if it means pushing someone else under. Folks at the bottom are desperate and white poor - in particular those who are under-educated and under-employed - are competing with others at the bottom, many of whom happen to be minorities. Folks at the bottom who happen to be white look and see programs like affirmative action giving minorities a leg and they perceive it to be at their expense. FDR raised everyone up and employed everyone and was beloved by these same voters - and he was a Liberal from New York. Webb is correct when he says that the Democratic party has a golden opportunity to win these folks back. The Party needs to take bold steps to change the equation and economic affirmative action rather than racial affirmative action is the key. Economic affirmative action or populism will win back these folks in droves provided Obama picks a trusted man from a rural and socially conservative state to roll it out. In my opinion, Webb is that man. He speaks the language, understands the culture and his foreign policy credentials are impeccable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:40 PM
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16. Nice post.
Welcome to DU
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:21 PM
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17. Thanks for this post pulling it together. I'll have to check out Webb's book
it looks interesting.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:39 AM
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19. I have thought about that as well.
I buy so many books and don't read them. Need to start going to the library more.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:42 AM
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18. He's fought through some tough smears himself
and I think he understands in quite another frame what Obama is now going through. I think he has a very Edwardsian take on this region and I like that he says the party should rather than use it for political gain understand it and work within its current mindset to release it from its own demons. It is beautiful country that has suffered for almost a generation from debilitating brain drain and exploitation of those who should be helping. I hope he finds a place either on the ticket or in an Obama cabinet.
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