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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:04 AM
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Source: Bill Clinton Wants Wife as Veep
Edited on Thu May-22-08 07:12 AM by Pirate Smile
Source: Bill Clinton Wants Wife as Veep

A friend of the former President tells TIME’s Karen Tumulty that he “is pushing real hard for this to happen.”
Though as for what Hillary Clinton wants, a top strategist says it’s hard to tell: “It’s as plain as the nose on your face that this whole thing has shifted to a different mode. But I don’t know what she wants. I don’t know what she’s thinking.”
Story to be published in this week’s issue of TIME.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/22/source-bill-clinton-wants-wife-as-veep/



What Does Hillary Want?

A graceful exit is never easy in a business as fraught with ego and ambition as presidential politics. Which is why in recent days, quiet calls have started going out to key supporters of Hillary Clinton who are showing signs of wanting to jump ship. Clinton's emissaries point out that she is no longer attacking Barack Obama, and they promise she won't start again. Allow her to ride out the last few primaries, they argue, and she won't do anything to make it difficult for her longtime allies to switch their allegiances when the time comes.

The latest round of calls was a tacit admission that while the battles aren't over, the war has been lost. It also raises the question, What will Clinton's terms of surrender turn out to be? Her husband, for one, seems to have a pretty clear idea what he thinks she should get as a consolation prize. In Bill Clinton's view, she has earned nothing short of an offer to be Obama's running mate, according to some who are close to the former President. Bill "is pushing real hard for this to happen," says a friend. Hillary is more opaque about what she might want, divulging little even to those who see and talk to her every day. "It's as plain as the nose on your face that this whole thing has shifted to a different mode," says a top Clinton strategist. "But I don't know what she wants. I don't know what she's thinking."

Even if Clinton is not on the ticket, the list of things she might want could range from a tangible move like help in paying off some of her campaign debt to a symbolic gesture of homage at the Democratic National Convention. Obama's team knows that Clinton and her crew above all are likely to want respect to be paid for their efforts; beyond that, it is unclear what the tab will be. "There have been no discussions between the campaigns," says chief strategist David Axelrod. "There's been no back-channel negotiations. We're respectful of her and her right to fight on." But they know the time is rapidly approaching when the two campaigns are going to have to begin peace talks. And they anticipate, given everything they have learned about the Clintons, that the negotiations won't be easy. "We're expecting sort of the worst here," says a top Obama adviser.

How bad could it be? Or put another way, how much leverage does Clinton have? Certainly more than she did a month ago. Though she is unlikely to catch Obama in delegates, her lopsided victories in Kentucky and West Virginia have helped her narrow his lead in the popular-vote count to a virtual tie. She may even finish the primary season with more votes, if you count those from the disputed primaries in Michigan and Florida. That gives her bragging rights for the No. 2 spot or for other demands. "This is about making her pile of chips bigger so she can use them to bargain with when the voting is done," says a longtime backer, who also believes she is making a play for a place on the ticket.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1808470,00.html
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:06 AM
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1. Honestly,
I don't think she even knows what she wants at this point:(
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:28 AM
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6. She probably wants a divorce. (NT)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:38 AM
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29. Bill complicates things exponentially. Hillary can't control him and Bill actually wants to help her
Bill wants to undermine Barack at every point. IMO Bill as second spouse is what makes the idea of Hillary as VP a disaster.
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BlueMonday Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:07 AM
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2. Obama supports the notion
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:01 AM
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33. Obama supports what notion? nt
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jpertello Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:20 AM
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3. Not gonna happen
Bill is beating a dead horse.
Obama would not stand for having a former POTUS as the spouse of his VP. Obama wants to be THE MAN and Bill has a huge ego and personality. It would be hard to reign Bill in. Obama, being the 1st 1/2 black president needs all the credibility and gravitas. Bill there would overshadow him. Also I don't think Obama likes Hillary, I know this didn't stop LBJ from worming his way into the VP slot, but I think Obama is stubborn on this principle. If someone doesn't fit his "Change and Positivity" message then they're nowhere near him. I notice his Comm Dir and Plouffe are very good at turning interviews back to the optimistic Obama message when reporters try to bog them down with the primary melodrama.
Also, I think Hill is polarizing in that many many Reps hate her guts. She would be a liability. Obama doesn't need her to capture those "poorhardworkingwhiteworkingclasswhite" votes. He has a huge field of intelligent talented experienced charismatic white guys to choose as his VP to do that.
On a side note, why no one remembers that Obama is 1/2 white is beyond me.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:31 AM
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8. Right. Why would Obama ever want finger wagging Bill anywhere near the White House?
With Bill Clinton's big ego he would be trying to upstage Obama at every turn. The ultimate and unwanted third wheel.

Regarding the side note: many people in this country still hold the notion that goes back to slavery that any amount of black makes the whole person black. It doesn't matter to them if the cup of coffee is half cream, to them it is black. Sad, but that's the way it is.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:46 AM
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16. Bill Clinton & Al Gore were the most successful Dem administration
Edited on Thu May-22-08 07:46 AM by OzarkDem
since FDR and Harry Truman. That's why.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:02 AM
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19. That was then, this is now. Time to stop living in the past. Obama represents the future. Simple.
Plus I don't see Hillary and Bill having to answer to the boss--Obama, who can tell her where to go and what to do.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:28 PM
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36. Except for Kennedy-Johnson.
But you knew that.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:23 AM
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26. I think Bill's "something else" wagging would be more of a danger....
If Obama chose Hillary, it would open up America to the risk of yet another 4 years of having to deal with Bill and his wandering dick.

It would indicate poor leadership if Obama risked putting the country through more distraction due to Bill's continuing DickGates, and by harming his own administration by allowing the Clintons within 4 miles of the White House.

Bill's already involved with another woman. Google "Belinda Stronach." Here's a headstart:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/this-ought-to-spice-things-up-at-chrysler/6339595+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/belinda-stronach-and-bill-clinton.jpg
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:09 AM
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34. Oh, Canada!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:33 AM
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10. Truth!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 07:34 AM by symbolman
Obama might as well tie a dead chicken around his neck during the whole GE and let it rot off while campaigns with Hillary :)

Talk about the Negatives! Also, he'd be wearing the Kevlar jacket for more than one reason, those people are Ruthless and have already whipped up the rednecks into a froth..

I'm, at this point, already worried about a "Squeaky From" Incident, some freaked out overamped older Super Hillary Fan Lady getting a potshot at our Hero.. Obama is So BRAVE! Diving into crowds that can't possibly be vetted in time by the SS, the guy is a HERO, and that's no joke..

Keep him SAFE dear SS Agents, he's going to Remake the World!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:40 AM
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14. Yeah they have whipped the rednecks into a froth by telling them that
Obama looks down on them and thinks he's better than them.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:02 AM
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18. Show me where he said that..
or is that just one of many voices vying for competition in your head?

Why would HE be better than anyone? He worked his way to where he is, nothing's been handed to him, he's even stuck with a student loan, like a lot of people.. Ever BEEN to the South Side of Chicago? Scary ass place there, he braved it to HELP people, now that is a good man..
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:52 AM
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32. Here you go:
Edited on Thu May-22-08 09:53 AM by Pirate Smile
"In Clarksburg, Clinton contrasted his wife's appeal to working-class people with the elitists he says support Obama. He made the same comparison two months when he last campaigned in West Virginia, calling his wife's critics in the party "glitterati" and "elites."

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said in Clarksburg. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."


Clinton said his wife's primary challenger has "got so much money and it's a different electorate. It's a little more upscale and modern ... than those poor people in Texas and Ohio."'

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/bill-clinton-tells-wva-voters-hillary-is/n20080501194609990009
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:23 AM
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4. The Clintons are a nightmare. They would make Obama's life hell.
And I honestly don't think Michelle could put up with them. Thank goodness for Michelle :)
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:12 AM
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21. He'd have to hire a food taster.
I wouldn't put anything past the Clintons' at this point.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:50 PM
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37. That's what David Gergen said on CNN.
n/t
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:37 AM
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28. I've got to believe Obama is too smart to make such a dumb move and take Hillary to be his VP.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:25 AM
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5. Bubba can take his "Southern Strategy" and move back to NY State. He's personal non grata ...
with many democrats, not the least of which is THE ENTIRE AA COMMUNITY. :grr:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:41 AM
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15. Take your freep talk where it belongs
at a right wing forum.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:31 AM
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7. You Can't Always Get What You Want.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:35 AM
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11. I sing that to my kids when they start in on the whining...
They love it... oh yeah;)
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:32 AM
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9. At least this means they are open to not absolutely destroying the Democratic Party
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:36 AM
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12. Why would the Clintons want to be VP?
Can the VP sell, er, I mean, grant pardons?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:48 AM
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17. I think she wants Obama to ASK HER rather than for her to make overtures
and I also believe she wants to be asked publicly.

She will then reject his advances publicly in what she will view as revenge.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:03 AM
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20. Not this time.
Clinton brand of politics went out of style with MC Hammer parachute pants.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:14 AM
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22. She would have been the IDEAL VP ...
The last six years, I have said, I really hope she puts her ego on the backburner, and positions herself as a VP candidate ...

With the way the right just hates her like the anti-christ, I have always thought she was too risky as the presidential candidate ... Conversely, I thought that IF she angled for VP, she would be a REAL asset, while her baggage would be mostly mitigated ... THEN, she would be in line to be president after 8 years ...

MAYBE if she had run a more positive campaign ... But, she has spent 4 straight months directly and indirectly assaulting the credibility of the democratic presidential nominee (and as some have noted, Bill has been out of the box for the entire country to see) ...

I am not ruling it out, but it is problematic based just on those two factors ... Beyond that, I have said for months now, BO picking Hill would kind of invalidate the fundamental message of his campaign - out with the old politics ... Again, had Hill not run, or run a much more positive campaign, it would be easier, but hard for him to say his campaign is about the "new" politics, then name a candidate who has been running a scorched earth campaign for the last half year ...

Again, I have long believed her best shot, for her, the party and the country, was to position herself as a VP ... She would have been a MONSTER VP had she grooved for it ...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:33 AM
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23. Someone needs to tell Bill they should have thought about that before viciously attacking Obama.
No Clintons near the White House, ever again.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:16 AM
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24. This better not happen. nm
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:18 AM
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25. He's like a stage husband.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:36 AM
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27. Source: Bill Clinton wants back his ass-ex to WH interns.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:40 AM
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30. Oh God
If this happens, there goes Obama's "change" platform down the toilet. You can't have change while mating it up to the very establishment garbage that you're trying to change.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:48 AM
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31. I couldnt care less what Bill Clinton wants.
I want him to go away. So I guess we're even.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:25 PM
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35. And his daugter as PRESIDENT!!! I'm sick of this whole family
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