What happens if Hillary manipulates an 'illegal' win, (similar to Bush), and rips the party apart?

We would have a candidate that many Democrats would strongly oppose.

The Republican candidate is already someone that many Republicans oppose.

What would happen to the enthusiasm for the election?


And no matter which party wins, (The Republicans would have a fair chance of winning in this scenario.), we would have to live through ANOTHER contested administration that is widely despised.

And this is the how the new administration BEGINS! Bush wasn't universally despised until he had time to demonstrate his incompetence.


Whew!

With all the giant challenges that face the world right now we need a United States president that is highly respected within the U.S. as well as throughout the world.

This is a possibility with Obama. It is unlikely with Hillary after all this.


This isn't the way to run an election.

Lets Hope the Obama followers don't really vote for McCain like they've promised to do.

Lame!

It seems to happen a lot lately.

general.

How can she win without people of color and veterans???

What about the Caucus state voters who have to be tossed under the bus for her to "win"?

She's lost.

She would be openly despised and reviled as scum.

I certainly won't be voting in the presidential election if Clinton's at the the top of the ticket.

If she did, on what ground would it be 'illegal'?

It could occur only because of a decision by the 'superdelegates', the political professional class of the Party, to vote for her, which they are entitled to do, combined with decisions by the rules and credentials committees in her favor, which are totally within their prerogatives.

but could be viewed that way by some

seen as stealing the primary.

A questionable policy if it were to happen.
And I'm not entirely convinces she won't try and it's conceivable she might succeed.

I do respect her tenacious ability to keep pushing until something falls over.

It was also thought, of course, that the thing would be cleanly settled long before that compromise was made, so that its exact form would not be of much importance, and simply save face all around. No one in authority, beginning with Gov. Dean, ever seriously contemplated the rebuffing insult of seating no one from Michigan and Florida would be delivered to the Party organizations and voters of those sizeable states, for fear of consequences in November.

In fact, even if both decisions went in favor of Sen. Clinton, it would still not turn the nomination to her. There is a good deal more heat over this matter than the thing actually deserves.

"More Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"

That would not have disenfranchised voters but would still have been a disciplining action.

a Corporation I believe that would be a Felony.

by TWO candidates with massive egos. i hope they destroy the party. the dem party has not been FOR US for many many years.

But I can easily, easily see some or many of her supporters, voting for McSame or staying home...

Perhaps Senator Obama doesn't need the vote of such declasse (sic) people...That's certainly what many of his supporters seem to believe...

Oh well, the mythical Cassandra was right...

But, hey, if you think you Senator Obama can win the election with massive Democratic defections please do not let some anonymous poster on a bulletin board disabuse you of that notion...

In my humble opinion.

The thing is all the metrics-the ecomony, the popularity of the incumbent party and president, the war all favor the Democrats...

Can the Dems snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory?

...tragic that after the past 7 years all the DNC/Obamaiacs can produce is scenario worse than Nov 2000.

Hillary will prevail despite the attempts by Obama, Bush et al to thwart democracy.

-- sarcasm, in case you weren't able to deduce that. --

ahem.

But no matter how it is resolved he will be the nominee...I'm more interested to see how the chasm between and his supporters and Senator Clinton's supporters is closed...

I don't think calling Ms. Clinton every name in the book will close it...

Before I get harangued I will vote for Senator Obama because he has a (D) after his name and I couldn't look my African American friends in the eyes if I didn't but I couldn't be less enthusiastic about any vote in my life...

Democracy is not always getting what you want.
But it is trying to accept what you get.

All the best to you.

HRC may win "the battle" (the democratic nomination) but she will lose "the war" (the presidency as well as TRASH the Clinton legacy).

Bank on it! :thumbsup:

The turnout WILL be lower, but they would vote for Hillary.

But yes, there would be an immense amount of disillusioned Democrats, especially the young and/or newly involved folks. We'd be throwing away an opportunity that does not happen often.

"With all the giant challenges that face the world right now we need a
United States president that is highly respected throughout the world."

This edited version of your quote is correct. World leaders all love the Clintons and would love to have him back in office. He was voted as the most popular/loved/admired man in the world! That's why he made so much money making speeches...people/leaders/politicians couldn't get enough of Bill Clinton. They would love to see him back by his wife's side...and assured his advice would be offered...although not automatically followed because Hillary is more liberal than Bill...especially if she had a Dem veto proof majority.

Other woman around the world (1/2 of the world population) would also benefit by seeing a female president. Nothing could help woman's rights and respect in the whole world (especially Muslims) more than Hillary as US President.

OK...fire away! But I have to go out and garden now and attend a meeting tonight...so I may not get back till late tonight...so don't accuse me of posting and leaving. Please can't we forget the hateful snide comments for once..this place is getting unbearable. Oh yeah...no deviation from the subject.