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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:37 AM Original message |
Florida and Michigan were NOT legitimate elections |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. who cares what Hillary is doing. She is irrelevant. Why waste energy on her? That's what she WANTS |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. you need to wake up to some realities |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. She is no more relevant than Edwards or Kucinich. She just had more money than they did. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Yes, the reality is, a lot people care, just not as many as Obama, and so whether we like it or not, |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. well said - k/r - nt |
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VeraAgnes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. The DNC Delegate Committee will be |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I sure hope they get this resolved |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Rules and Bylaws Committee - the same one that placed the penalty there in the first place |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. They didn't think that punishing FL & MI would cost Hillary the nomination. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. RBC Committee is going to correct FL and MI mistakes? Good, they need someone to correct them. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
4. well - McHatin - as a Florida resident I took my vote seriously |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. In America, election that don't allow campaigning are considered illegitimate. How long have you |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. ahem . . . . |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Did you take US Gov in high school? The ability to campaign is one of the basic |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. you are talking about this like it was the law of the land |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Then why in the world would a candidate campaign? If as you say it has no effect? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. whoa there - your argument is taking a turn |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. A Florida Court refused to order the seating of the Florida delegation. It found that |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. well - don't hold your breath. I do not plan on sharing any correspondence |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. and while we are on the subject of basic principles |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. It was not my decision |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. sure it was - over 1.7 million voted in Florida |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Well I guess that is where we disagree |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. well - lets get the right set of numbers |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Sio if it's equitable to you, then it's better than if it's inequitable to someone else? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. c'mon - lets not go out of control here |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. If you look at it that way, it only makes it worse |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I don't think I ever claimed that Florida Dems turned out |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I understand |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Yes, good leaders buy you a pony. Sorry, your leadership is your problem. You elected them |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. A representative sample? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. every voter had an opportunity - had the votes been counted |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Did 8 year olds get to vote? Why or why not? Yet there is no prohibition from an 8 year old joining |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. oh Good Lord - I think I have had enough |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. Principles? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. uh - your vote is being counted. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
67. Actually Lincoln won several elections w/o campaigning at all |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. You should learn how to vote for people that know how to follow directions. eom |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. ah yes - hindsight-voting |
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PermanentRevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. A question, DrDan... |
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
5. can you imagine |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
8. Obama didn't have to take his name off the ballot |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. There wasn't a way for names to be removed in FL |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. In other words, he played by the rules and abided by his pledge |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Ah, he honors the agreement re rules they all made, and she didn't |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Right |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Yeah...that was kind of dumb, wasn't it? |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Yeah, we do. He's got integrity, which is clearly lacking in the Hill campaign. |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. BO is unprepared to lead this country. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Sorry, he won, she lost. Vote McSame. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
9. Yep, lots of people will be disenfranchised, either way. |
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mystieus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. A lot of people didn't vote because they knew their vote wasn't going to count for anything. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Explain the record turnout in both states. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Record turnout is immaterial |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. MI tunrout was unspectacular and FL's turnout was more related to a property tax issue. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. There was record turnout all over the country this cycle |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. On both sides. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. They didn't even campaign in those states!! There was no campaign in Florida or Michigan!! |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Obama disagrees with you he wants the majority of the delegates to be seated. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Why do you want to cheat? |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Why do you hate the rules of this Primary? There are provisions for petition, and on the 31st |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. If you say MI should count, as is, you're a cheater and you know it. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Michigan is gonna count, with Obama's approval. The supers |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
15. That's why I believe the only fair solution is to seat the delegates 50/50 with no SDs |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
26. Exactly. |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
27. You can't tell people the election won't count, then later decide to count it. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
33. So what's going to happen |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Let them, i'm tired of the threats. |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
34. Several people in this thread |
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pdx_prog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. The only fair resolution is a "do over" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
60. Folks, it's 2008 and that means (no, it's not what you think I'm going to say) |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
70. They WERE and THEY WERE CERTIFIED!! |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
73. I saw one MSM article that referred to them as "contests", in purposeful contrast to "elections" |
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