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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:44 AM
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A message from Thom Hartmann: Obama - Ask Hillary First!
The issue at hand for the Democratic Party for winning in ‘08 is not losing to McCain but losing to a divided Democratic party. The first thing Obama should do if nominated is put http://mk1.netatlantic.com/t/5163426/1133265/15656/0/">Hillary on the ticket. Will the Republicans have a field day with her on the ticket? Yes! Is their some bad blood in the water due to some negative campaign strategies on the part of the Clintons? Probably. Can Hillary be a tough fighter able to play tough allowing Obama to stay higher above the fray? Yes!

Howard Dean said a few months ago that the loser will be the most important person in the Democratic presidential run this year. Hillary's legacy in this 08 election could place her as the healer and bring together a united Democratic party. As a winning ticket they also move this country closer to healing the racial and misogynist undertones that still have roots.

Can you picture Denver with Hillary's delegates close to half of all delegates demanding that she be included on the ticket? To some it's a crusade. If Hillary was the one out ahead - by just a little over half - wouldn't Obama supporters want the same?

Obama's offer and Hillary's acceptance of an http://mk1.netatlantic.com/t/5163426/1133265/15657/0/">Obama/Clinton ticket hold the healing and the power to move this country in the direction of the real change in Washington that Obama talks about. First he must bring the Democrats back together again.

Obama - ask Hillary first. And if she should say no, the offer would still have a unifying affect.

--Thom Hartmann

I'm not sure if I agree with this but thought I'd pass it on.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:46 AM
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1. I'd love for Thom and everybody else advocating for this
to explain how Obama keeps up all of those "change" signs while attaching himself to the "let's roll it back to the 1990s" candidate, Hillary Clinton.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:46 AM
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3. I agree. *sigh*
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:55 AM
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10. there's simply too much recent dirt on her. PLUS her Bosnia lie, PLUS her ads attacking Obama
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:46 AM
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2. Randi Rhodes is saying the same thing.
I hope he doesn't, and if he does, I hope she doesn't want it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:55 AM
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11. Hillary wouldn't survive the vetting process. IT'S INSANE. There's too much dirt on her & Bill
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:49 AM
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4. hillary on the ticket defeats the purpose.
she is a dinosaur.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:51 AM
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5. How much more obvious can it be. If she is VP, I will be bummed.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:53 AM
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7. I think he'd be better to offer her a cabinet position
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:53 AM
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6. She will accept it because it is at least what Bill wants and MAYBE what she wants.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:53 AM
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8. I don't think so. They have become too divisive.
She and her husband have become too divisive.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:54 AM
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9. hell no! no! no! NO! n/t
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:57 AM
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12. Hartmann is usually a smart guy, but in this case he's acting with his heart, not his head.
Democrats want people to get along. Consensus-building is in our nature. But there's more than just good feelings to consider here.

Hillary would be a Cheney-esque figure as Vice President, with she and Bill representing a sort of shadow government that would undermine Obama's authority as president. It will be even worse if it looks like Hillary has forced her way onto the ticket, and Obama was not strong enough to stop her.

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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:58 AM
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13. Sent my letter to Howard Dean yesterday.
Demaning a unity ticket... if he wants $$$ from me this year.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:58 AM
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14. I have no problem with him asking her first as long as she agrees to say NO.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:02 AM
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15. That's how I feel
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:06 AM
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16. Hillary blew her chances for VP when she went the Tonya Harding route
against Obama.

Hillary is setting women back 100 years with her sore loser attitude.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:10 AM
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17. often Thom Hartmann tries so hard to speak for some fictional "middle" ...
that it can be very soothing to those weary of debate and yet want to find agreement with what seems a more or less plausible opinion. My instinct says that while an O/C ticket might have the instant soothing effect of chugging from a bottle of Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey (which seems like such a great idea when I read some DU threads :beer: :beer: ), in the longer run for the GE they'd cancel each other out while providing the biggest possible target for and least possible defense from a GOP negative campaign :hangover: :hangover:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:17 AM
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18. What state does she bring that he can't get himself
He'll get NY, California & Illinois by himself.

Pennsylvania, perhaps? Arkansas, maybe?
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:19 AM
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19. Another thing,
What happens to Bill Clinton, who controls him, as we can see he is
uncontrollable right now and if she can't who will.

This gives way for a sabotage to his Presidency, the Clintons has not
shown that they are prepared to work with the party, so far its been
about them and winning the nomination.

If she wanted the Veep this process should have ended long time ago,
not when she has thrown the kitchen sink and everything else on him
that we should feel compel to hand it over to her.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:41 AM
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20. right
she's not likely to be apositive, other than in the symbolism of it all. We need REAL teamwork, not lip service to it.

Hillary as "healer" :eyes: puh-leeze
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